what I am referring to is the 55gallon drum full of empties, we have a hanfull of racers that get dropped at other tracks or get rides, most of those parents are not going to be down with what looks to be alot of drinking. You an I know that they just don't empty the thing but we have both been witness to people out there to put down beers or liquor all day. These things should not be a suprise as this is not the first time I have mentioned this. I think your group would be well served to get in a car and go check out Foley this sat or Teas this sundady to see what people expect when you expect them to pay $15 dollars to be hand counted with no eectricity.