K, I don't know how this works so I'll do my best.

About a month ago it was decided that 27T brushed only for 1/12 scale. I missed that meeting.

Since 27T stock 1/12 scale runs at other place around here, we should have that class.

Well I have (and had last winter) a 4300 stock brushless as do two others, as well. Which I had every intention to run in stock mode in stock class.

So we ADD a brushless/open class, good. I know there are people who kind of don't want(or feel icky) to let the 4300 to be run with the stock class.

But what happens some Sunday when some out-of-towner shows up for open with the 4300. Do we say tough luck? See Ya?

Does he get turned away? I say no, becuase I have been told inperson, by two top drivers at MARCCA that they have no problem running with the stock 4300 brushless (set to stock mod)

What do we do about other brushess system that don't comply with ROAD rules? Turn thier radio down? Not the best solution, but it might work. I did some playing with turning the thottle down on the radio, and it seem like it worked pretty good.

Thought?

When I was at the Hobby shop last nigh there was a good lil discussion going on between Jim and myself and a few others about this.

And it seemed the general oppinion was:

Make a stock class that would attract the normal stock runners or people who want to run that class (27T Brushed, ROAR spec stock).

Make a 19T class if there eventually is enough to suport it.

Make a mod/open class which would include all brushless and all Mods.

To me its more about making something thats able to be understood clearly. When someone says "stock" they think 27T, Brushed, ROAR spec. Its simple, widely understood, and reasonable. Al;so this break down in classes fits most tracks and most normal conventions on how classes are done. Making it easier to understand and work with.

Putting all brushless in the "Open" class also seems reasonable from the stand point that no differentiation would need to be made about Novak brushless or Hacker or Lehner or 4300 or 5800, stock or unlimited.

To me the classes should be as simple and clear as possible, the more complex they become wiht the more exceptions they have the more confusion there will be. Theres no fun in race day confusion or class changes.

gordon, first, please take my views as an ld member looking back, trying to offer insight, i am NOT bashing, or trying to change you views.

first, i dont see this happening, i am not up on brushless, but i know, that a majority of the racers dont have them.

now, that said, i race at the den in monroe, and trackside, (i cannot nor should this be construed as speaking for scott) i do know that if you showed up with that system you WOULD be allowed to race, you would be encouraged to comly with teh rules, next time, but again, i do not see you being turned away, (nor do i think you should. that is consistent with the way i race directed when i was involved with marcca.

that said, if you have rules, and make them available to the local hobby shops then when a new hobbieist comes in and says i want to race, they can lead them down the correct path to getting what they need to race, examples stock or mod motors, foam or rubber tires, 4 or 6 cells, you know the basics, now, that being said,there is NO reason to NOT (sorry double negitive) have a brushless class. i think the problem you have is you have say 10 racers and 7 ideas od what ppl want. there is the problem. so the club needs to build consensus. and decide on a class, or classes

here is my SUGJESTIONS. i am not liable to what ppl think of this.

1 12th scale stock 4 cell, same as the world
2 brushless 12th scale, a new class

now, i know you have some who want mod, or 19t. i understand. but to grow the calss, and the club for that matter, keep it simple. if ppl want to run that, fine, but get the base classes growing first, run you mod, or 19t in practice, and race stock.

if there is only one brushless one week, let him, or her run in reg stock, nw if the one person shows up consistently, with no other brushless(or brshed, it could go either way) you have to say, next week you need a brushed system, or we need to turn you aaway, this keep the integrity of the club, and protects the racers,

Mr Losi, I really that is very reasonable. The only problem I see if, in the long run, there are consistantly not enough for open, then I'm out. My fault entirely because I won't bend.

And Scotty did let me run at Trackside a few times with it, awesome attitude!

John you said yourself there was a load of brushless enties last Saturday adn with Bob and son getting in on 1/12th with brushless action you will atleast haev enough for a race.

I would be more concerned with not enough stock 27T entries at times if people all go to run mod instead.

Clegg, here's where I think there is a missunderstanding. You just lumped all brushless systems together.

I'm not saying if there are enough for open, that stock brushless should still be allowed to run in stock. Run stock brushless in open, to make the majority happy. Then on the few times where somebody with a stock brushless shows up and there are not enough for open, that he be allow to still run in stock.

And Mr Losi is suggesting that if it turns out that there will never be enough for mod, we put a stop to the exception of letting stock brushless in stock.

Just don't turn people away as we are trying to build the classes.

Is that clear? I'm not saying stock brushless should always be allowed to run in stock.

Pick-a-dilli! Clegg can't talk anymore

Im fine with that,

But I dont think there will be much issue getting enough entries in a mod/open class for the brushless to run in.

Not entirely sure what that means, but I sure can still talk

gordon, i really dont have a prob if occasiona lly the 4300 would be allowed in stock....

the point would be, if noone runs brushless, shelf the system, buy a speedo and old stocker, and run around....i will affer this, i will true your motors, tune them, and give you brushes(my one or 2 runners that are fine) for free, just get them to me....

i think that you are all on the same page, there are just a couple comunication issues out there.....i am not trying to tell you what to do just trying to help, no matter what others may tell you....

k now I just have a simple question. If 3 or more cars show up to race doesn't that allow for a heat of their own? Just wondering.

Kraig, I think that is pretty much still the rule.

Mr. Losi, that is really an awesomely nice offer. I know others at the track are more than willing to let me use a lathe, if it comes to that.

Clegg, we posted at exactly the same time! You say pick-a-dilli when two people say the same thing at the same time (in real life) and the the other guy can't talk anymore.

The official 1/12th scale classes at MARCCA are:

stock (27 turn motors)

open (everything else, including all brushless motors)


As always, 3 cars define a class. While we encourage conformity to a class, no one will be turned away from racing on any given race day because they don't fit the class structure. If not enough entries show up for 1 class on a particular week, the drivers will be allowed to run in the other class. In the case an open class entry runs in stock, the entry must try to conform to stock as much as possible (e.g., acceleration and throttle adjustments via the radio).