Brand New fantom binary - tiny Comm
12-30-2005, 06:03 PM
#1
Tech Elite
Thread Starter
Brand New fantom binary - tiny Comm
Just bought a new fantom Roar stock Team Limited Mint Can stock motor, and the comm is almost gone!! This was new in packet, .278
I know this is 'tuned' but hell, i can see a step in the comm, is this normal??
By my guessing i only get 2 or 3 more cuts out of it.
I have tried to call them, but its holiday time.
interested to see what anyone else has found, before i contact them next week.
I know this is 'tuned' but hell, i can see a step in the comm, is this normal??
By my guessing i only get 2 or 3 more cuts out of it.
I have tried to call them, but its holiday time.
interested to see what anyone else has found, before i contact them next week.
12-30-2005, 06:35 PM
#3
Tech Elite
Thread Starter
yeah, I have many br00d, Putnam and EA, none are even close to being this small....surely if that have to cut it that small, they should not sell it as one of their prenium motors???
12-30-2005, 07:52 PM
#4
a normal comm starts in the .290 range.. if you get a comm below .285 it has been cut very small to gain power.. some companies will keep cutting a com till they get numbers good enough to sell.. You can cut a com down to .265 before it gets close to ezploding.. at .278 you prolly got 10-15 cuts left if you cut it right..
12-30-2005, 08:19 PM
#5
I stopped purchasing Fantom motors because of problem's with the com being out of round...very badly out of round. I purchased 6 of their limited Monster's and 2 of their Limited BS motor's at the same time from MY LHS when the BS motors first became available. Brand new out of the package I rebuilt them cause I normally run Putman brushes and all were out of round. 6 of then were very badly out of round while 2 were just slightly. Still out of round is out of round.
Needless to say I have not bought any more of their products. I have been buying EAMotorsports and Putman motors and have never had a single problem. While the motors may be slightly more expensive to buy, in the end I save money on them because they already come with the springs and brushes I normally use, so I don;t have to speend the $5.00 per motor replacing that stuff right off the bat. Plus, I recevie the motors and can put them directly into the car without worrying about having to rebuild them!
Needless to say I have not bought any more of their products. I have been buying EAMotorsports and Putman motors and have never had a single problem. While the motors may be slightly more expensive to buy, in the end I save money on them because they already come with the springs and brushes I normally use, so I don;t have to speend the $5.00 per motor replacing that stuff right off the bat. Plus, I recevie the motors and can put them directly into the car without worrying about having to rebuild them!
12-30-2005, 11:00 PM
#6
Tech Adept
I can only think of one real reason why the commutator size is .278. Someone probably swap their old armature with the new one ... this can be done easily while the motor was with the distributor, hobby shop. Someone could even swap it and return the motor as new. Ex. Tower will take items back as long as the packaging looks new, they even provide a return label. Try to do that with a brand new armature at .300, it's going to take at least 15 to 20 passes to get it down to .278 and I don't think they will take this much time to cut down each armature in the first place.
12-31-2005, 07:04 AM
#7
I'd go with the return thing. Just ordered a Epic Roar from Stormer and the package didn't look new, it also had been restapled. Not even in the old holes. I have yet to measure com. I will start buying my motors from reputable builders like EA, and Brood.
12-31-2005, 09:37 AM
#8
the armature shaft wears on the arm.. it is easy to check if it is been really used or not.. Ive seen motor builders cut the crap out of a motor till it pulls a minimum number...im not going to say names, but it has been done..Arm swapping is just passing the blame...
12-31-2005, 09:42 AM
#9
Tech Elite
Thread Starter
the package had not been opened, I am sure of that....
It was special ordered by me through my LHS.
The arm looks new, no discoloration anywhere, which would be unusal for a 25+ run motor!!
Wear on the armature from 1 run??? I dont think so.
Oh, and it ran like sh!t which was why I was cutting it after one run.
It was special ordered by me through my LHS.
The arm looks new, no discoloration anywhere, which would be unusal for a 25+ run motor!!
Wear on the armature from 1 run??? I dont think so.
Oh, and it ran like sh!t which was why I was cutting it after one run.
Which can is it?
01-02-2006, 06:58 AM
#12
Tech Regular
As Dayton said,
Just call 1-269-483-0200 and ask for Jeff, If you get the answering machine leave a detailed message with your phone number and he should get back to you. Usually they will call at the end of the day at around 4:00PM eastern.
Hope this helps
Just call 1-269-483-0200 and ask for Jeff, If you get the answering machine leave a detailed message with your phone number and he should get back to you. Usually they will call at the end of the day at around 4:00PM eastern.
Hope this helps
01-02-2006, 07:12 PM
#14
Tech Elite
Thread Starter
just got answer phone today.
There was another guy at the track with same issue but with a monster, his was even lower
There was another guy at the track with same issue but with a monster, his was even lower
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