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A800R Released March 23, 2023 with two kit versions, A800RA (alloy) and A800RC (carbon)


Mid Motor Content ---

New Part Releases
  • January 2020 - A800-AM24-20 Servo Holder - combine servo holder and steering holder to one single part.
  • February 2020 - A800-ADC Advanced Damper Cup Set - Reduces the amount of rebuild routines. It offers the possibility to A) remove air and B) add oil into the damper without the need of full disassembling
  • January 2021 - A800-BDL - Body Downtravel Limiter, replaces SPR08
  • March 2021 - A800-P138LFA - 38T Pully Low Friction - For Gear Diff
  • March 2021 - A800-P138S-LFA 38T Spool Pulley Low Friction - For Spool
  • April 2021 - A800-C27MMX - Full Length Top Deck for A800MMX
  • May 2021 - A800-C01MMA Alloy Chassis - Battery position is shifted to the front to achieve a better overall weight distribution. Removes short arm holes. New narrower shape
  • September 2021 - A800-C04M1+7.0 Arm - narrows the track width for lower grip levels
  • October 2021 - AM180EVO Single Bellcrank Steering Update - AM180EVO is a direct replacement for AM180M5

A800MMX and A800MMXA Kit Updates
  • AM152/AM24-8 is replaced by AM24-20 in this kit (UPDATE 08.03.2021)
  • P138/P138S is replaced by P138-1/P138S-1 in this kit (UPDATE 25.03.2021)
  • C01B-X-MMA is replaced by C01MMA in MMXA kit (UPDATE 26.05.2021)
  • AM180M5 is replaced by AM180EVO in this kit (UPDATE 21.09.2021)


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A800 Information
New Parts
  • June 2016: A800-SPR01-98 - The version of SPR01 springs with reduced angle of the tips bending. Recommended for using with new SPR02H3 Shock Rod Guides.
  • June 2016: A800-SPR01S-98 - The version of SPR01S springs with reduced angle of the tips bending. Recommended for using with new SPR02H3 Shock Rod Guides.
  • May / June 2016: A800-AM14A - includes new optional "longer" hole on steering arm
  • May / June 2016: A700-AM14-3 - removes the prior "longer" hole on steering arm
  • May / June 2016: A800-C04AL+0.5 - 0.5mm wider alloy suspension arm
  • May / June 2016: A800-C01B-2.25 - 2.25mm carbon main plate (best suited for asphalt racing)
  • May / June 2016: A800-D2.2 - Dampers that support a thicker SPR02H3
  • May / June 2016: A800-SPR02H3 - Thicker Shock Rod Guides for the D2.2 damper
  • May / June 2016: A800-AT41-2 - Damper vane for the D2.2 damper designed to work w/ SPR02H3
  • May / June 2016: A800-SPR02H - Stronger Shock Rod Guides for the D2.0 and D2.1 damper versions
  • May 2016: A800-AM19-4 - Currently used in the rear of a kit. With AM19-4 the top link effective length is 0,7mm shorter compare to AM19-2. Also with AM19-4 the flex of suspension is smaller ( similar to more stiffer arm and c-hub of normal cars). The screws on dampers are more accessible for adjustment.
  • January 2017 - SPRO2X - new for dampers and do not require a 98 degree bent spring.
  • January 2017 - New A800X and A800XA kits now available featuring 0.3mm longer front and rear wheelbase.
Kit Updates
  • May - Current: Kits now including DT10-2-1 bearing holders for increased side play and durability of the differential and spool.
  • May - July 2016: bearings within kits require oil before use
  • May / June 2016: C01B-AL (Khaki) Chassis with 0.5mm/side wider front arm mounts
  • May / June 2016: 2x ST17-1-S replace ST17 - See page 21 of manual
  • May / June 2016: Updated damper, D2.2, introduced
  • May / June 2016: Thicker Shock Rod Guides for the D2.2 damper included with kits, A800-SPR02H3
  • Jan 2016: GD2 Output Axle (ST31-1) update to use blue foam (P46) instead of set screw (used on each side of Axle after assembly)


Setups
Major Race Wins
  • 2016 Reedy Race of Champions - Modified - Julian Wong
  • 2016 Mile High Championship - 17.5 - Kyle Klingforth
  • 2016 Mile High Championship - 13.5 - Kyle Klingforth
  • 2016 ROAR On-Road Carpet Nationals - 17.5 - Mike Gee
  • 2016 ROAR On-Road Carpet Nationals - 13.5 - Mike Gee
  • 2015/6 ETS Season 9 Round 3 - Xray Pro Stock Division - Tony Streit
  • 2015 US Indoor Champs - 13.5 - Mike Gee
  • 2016 Roar On-Road Asphalt Nationals - 13.5 - Mike Gee
  • 2016 Roar On-Road Asphalt Nationals - 17.5 - Sam Isaacs
  • 2016 International Indoor Championships (IIC) - 17.5 - Mike Gee
  • 2016 Halloween Classic at the Gate - 17.5 - Brad Johnson
  • 2016 US Indoor Champs - 17.5 - Sam Isaacs
  • 2016 US Indoor Champs - 13.5 -Matt Lyons
  • 2016 Stock Wars - 17.5 - Mike Gee
  • 2016 Hudy Indoor Championship - 17.5 - Brad Johnson

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Old 11-06-2018, 09:54 AM
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thanks oleg will definitely give it a go..

since you're here can i ask the main differences between the bssx and ls2 steering system on the mmcx car?
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Originally Posted by Oleg Babich
Our observations showed the opposite - the car with long arms rolls less. Calculation of the roll center behaviour at the side roll confirms this statement.
Ok thanks

So what I am finding is the setup we run is really good on a warmer track but when it gets cooler, the A800 struggles compared to say a T4. The reason I believe is the T4 rolls more thus works the tyres and generates more grip. How would I look to get the A800 to work the tyres a bit more without compromising it's setup when the temps increase? Would the long arms help? Running the std deck and not VTD? (This is on a large outdoor asphalt track) Also curious what changes setup wise I need to look at going to the MMCX set up, I was finding when I ran my usual set up the MMCX tended to snap oversteer mid corner.
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So what I am finding is the setup we run is really good on a warmer track but when it gets cooler, the A800 struggles compared to say a T4......
Probably many things are opposite in AU
On the upper side of planet we usually struggle with our cars when conditions become hotter.
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Originally Posted by Oleg Babich
Probably many things are opposite in AU
On the upper side of planet we usually struggle with our cars when conditions become hotter.
Wow, kinda disappointed in the sarcastic response.

I think I've thrown enough money at these things than to get a bit better than that, it was a legitimate query regarding setup.


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Originally Posted by nexxus
Wow, kinda disappointed in the sarcastic response.

I think I've thrown enough money at these things than to get a bit better than that, it was a legitimate query regarding setup.

I didn’t see anything wrong with Oleg’s response but with the amount of parts you buy seems you crash a lot maybe you will be better off buying a cheaper car like a traxxas
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I didn’t see anything wrong with Oleg’s response but with the amount of parts you buy seems you crash a lot maybe you will be better off buying a cheaper car like a traxxas
I tried Traxxas, it lasted half a lap.

Seriously though would appreciate some help regarding mmcx set up. Apologies for being an inconvenient customer.
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Originally Posted by nexxus
I tried Traxxas, it lasted half a lap.

Seriously though would appreciate some help regarding mmcx set up. Apologies for being an inconvenient customer.
well you said it , if you look on petit Rc there is an excellent set up for the mid motor for asphalt

http://site.petitrc.com/reglages/awe...HRT2018092930/
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Interesting, could someone elaborate more on why Awesomatix gets worse in hot or cold weather? What is relation of temp to the car (materials, track grip)?
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Interesting, could someone elaborate more on why Awesomatix gets worse in hot or cold weather? What is relation of temp to the car (materials, track grip)?
track temp has very little to do with the car . Touring car to me is 80% tire selection and prep. Most cars are fast when it’s cool on a sticky track and fade faster as the day heats up and lose speed during the day . It has always been harder to go faster in the heat of the day for me before awesomatix. Lately it seems like my car has been running the best laps the last two minutes of the run which is amazing where I was struggling to hold on the last 60 seconds before . The new mid motor with long arms seems to fit my driving style perfect . This is just my opinion and observation
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So what handling characteristics will change when we go from std arms (or +1.5 front +0.5 rear) to long arms (9 front, 8 rear) assuming everything else remains the same.
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So what handling characteristics will change when we go from std arms (or +1.5 front +0.5 rear) to long arms (9 front, 8 rear) assuming everything else remains the same.
Camber gain. As the difference between the mounting points of the upper links vs the lower suspension arm links becomes greater, the amount of camber gain you get on compression increases.
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So what handling characteristics will change when we go from std arms (or +1.5 front +0.5 rear) to long arms (9 front, 8 rear) assuming everything else remains the same.
hard for me to answer because I changed to mid motor at the same time but i noticed a huge gain in grip without losing the corner speed and rotation. I also noticed this car wears tires even and a lot less . My tires after 4 runs still have the sheen on them and almost no signs of wear .
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Originally Posted by rccartips
Interesting, could someone elaborate more on why Awesomatix gets worse in hot or cold weather? What is relation of temp to the car (materials, track grip)?
Basically every car gets a bit worse when heat comes up. This is not an Awesomatix thing only, its same for every brand.
This can be easily noticed at tracks which do not have sun on the asphalt in the morning but some sun on it at later time.
Asphalt / Surface temperature is often the biggest change of the handling characteristic of your car.

It's also easy to predict when the track will be the fastest. We call this "Rocket Round" ;-)
At Indoor tracks its always at the end of the day. When many people raced on the Carpet and temperature was good/high inside the building, and you turn off the heating or open windows to cool down the track/air its very very possible the last batteries of the day will be the fastest.

On Asphalt is similar, but depends on the A:Sun B: position of the Track.
If there is sun in the morning to heat up the asphalt and later at the day the sun is away, the track gets faster to the end....

So the issue is not in the Car's. Its more the change of Track Temp. in combination with the tire/rubber.
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Just a little heavier
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