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Old 02-09-2015, 02:42 AM   #991
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The limited Edition is only for Japan !


I asked RC Market because I have the same question !

me : what's means "Limited edition" for Tamiya 419
rcmarket : This car kit, Japan TAMIYA only making 1 batch. future not re-production
me : in the box it's the same parts than the kit #42285 ?
rcmarket : for this car kit Parts ("Limited edition"), but no option parts !
You've misintepreted that.

It means like almost all TRF cars Tamiya Japan are only planning on doing 1 run of the 419. Once sold, they are all gone. If you miss out you'll have to wait until they put out an update or the new car.
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Old 02-09-2015, 04:33 AM   #992
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Quite a few neat/odd touches.
- missing screws in shock towers as mentioned - but is there a grub screw used as a locating pin? Hard to see clearly, but doesnt look like just a missing screw.
Did wonder if there was a grub screw in there, with a bit of blue sharpie action...

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- Hex ball studs with backing lock nuts for the damper mounts - why not just run TRF ball nuts? They are expensive, maybe saving a few bucks
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- countersunk screws on the steering. Al to rear, Ti to front. Previous builds of his often used stock steel screws on the bridge (but no where else on the car)
Suspect the counter sunk screws on the cross bridge are to help locate the bearings better, whilst the countersunk washer on top of the cranks... no clue, looks?!

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- alloy chassis missing ARS screw holes like the stock carbon one.
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- has been forced to run his pinion nose in now as well - maybe the muchmore has a short rotor like my X20!
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- new style Chubs!
Aren't they just the old style ones?

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Kono...
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Old 02-09-2015, 05:33 AM   #993
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Aren't they just the old style ones?
54580 - the ones that came out last year - "new" as in not the old style - ha!
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Old 02-09-2015, 05:42 AM   #994
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Look what the postman dropped off today



I feel like a kid on Christmas morning!

Hopefully have it ready for it's first outing on Friday.
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You guys missed that his car is running different rear sway bar system aswell....

old style mounts with a different bar.... maybe yok?
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Old 02-09-2015, 10:54 AM   #996
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To be frank, pretty much any car out there is the same as a Yokomo geometry wise. Why? it works.

Chassis wise, bulkheads etc, again yes it's similar but there are some differences (afore mentioned motor mount)... it's the details
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I love how some people pop into Tamiya threads and make such posts.

They forget that during the TRF414, TRF415, TRF416 days, Yok and everyone else was copying TRF designs. Now Tamiya needs catch up.

It's called competition. When you're at the top, it's hard to stay there year after year. Often times it takes someone to come from behind and overtake you for you to realise the next step.
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You guys missed that his car is running different rear sway bar system aswell....

old style mounts with a different bar.... maybe yok?
Saw that. Might be a really old school 415 sway bar. Remember how big they were? And the team used to remove the paint to keep people guessing.
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I love how some people pop into Tamiya threads and make such posts.

They forget that during the TRF414, TRF415, TRF416 days, Yok and everyone else was copying TRF designs. Now Tamiya needs catch up.

It's called competition. When you're at the top, it's hard to stay there year after year. Often times it takes someone to come from behind and overtake you for you to realise the next step.
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MR looked mighty fast, TRF may finally have something for Yokomo this ETS season. Can't wait to see what Naoto does with the 419.
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Though he doesn't race one currently he use to run tamiya. His website was one of the few that had up to date setup sheets from Marc and Jillies.

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I love how some people pop into Tamiya threads and make such posts.

They forget that during the TRF414, TRF415, TRF416 days, Yok and everyone else was copying TRF designs. Now Tamiya needs catch up.

It's called competition. When you're at the top, it's hard to stay there year after year. Often times it takes someone to come from behind and overtake you for you to realise the next step.
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To be frank, pretty much any car out there is the same as a Yokomo geometry wise. Why? it works.

Chassis wise, bulkheads etc, again yes it's similar but there are some differences (afore mentioned motor mount)... it's the details
There was a article in a UK RC magazine where they were talking to Chris Grainger of Schumacher, about the Mi5. They asked him is it true if you measured out the geometry on the Mi5 was it the same as the Yokomo Bd-7. His answer if you measure up almost all TC cars the geometry went back to the AE TC3. So if the geometry of the TRF 419 is like the Yok so be it. Is the yok geometry like the TC3's....

From the Nov2013 issue of Radio Control Car Racer Mag

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There was a article in a UK RC magazine where they were talking to Chris Grainger of Schumacher, about the Mi5. They asked him is it true if you measured out the geometry on the Mi5 was it the same as the Yokomo Bd-7. His answer if you measure up almost all TC cars the geometry went back to the AE TC3. So if the geometry of the TRF 419 is like the Yok so be it. Is the yok geometry like the TC3's....
If that were true, the some of the AE guys here wouldn't be trying to copy a BD7

Regardless, Grats to MR33 & TRF, long time coming for that win
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Old 02-09-2015, 05:23 PM   #1002
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There was a article in a UK RC magazine where they were talking to Chris Grainger of Schumacher, about the Mi5. They asked him is it true if you measured out the geometry on the Mi5 was it the same as the Yokomo Bd-7. His answer if you measure up almost all TC cars the geometry went back to the AE TC3. So if the geometry of the TRF 419 is like the Yok so be it. Is the yok geometry like the TC3's....

From the Nov2013 issue of Radio Control Car Racer Mag

It's certainly very close between the cars now. The bd7 is pretty much the benchmark, and everyone else is close to it.
Some cars do do things a little diff (xray rear arms for example), and usually bulkhead positions are different too... But a lot of things like hinge pin widths, atm lengths etc are surprisingly similar... Most of that I figured out when making models up for RC crew chief!
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^ So no more Schumacher Ed?
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^ So no more Schumacher Ed?
Nope...
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