Fact or Fiction: One-Ways and the year 2003
 

I am hoping to either verify or debunk a rumor that has gained quite alot of momentum at my LHS. The rumor is as follows: "In 2003, ROAR will make one-ways (front, rear and center) illegal." Does anyone have any insight into this? Is this true? or is the BS at my LHS just getting deeper :)

Dang grab a shovel. :D

That move has been discussed by ROAR, but no action has been taken. Personally, I doubt it will happen.

But, you never know.

Thanks for the input guys! It is so hard to wade through what is real and what is hearsay at the track, especially when a large amount of local's just start saying its true :rolleyes:

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I doubt ROAR would make a decision on a national level unless one of the big manufacture started to complain about it. What Reedy did at his race was his choice as he was the promoter. With ROAR`s tight involvment with the manufactures,they`re waiting for the new part of the week to approve ,rather than any decision that affects the actuall quality of racing.

I'm not saying that it will happen, but it is a possiblilty. Reedy went to a 10-turn limit in the mod class, Roar fallows. It might just happen with one-ways too. I would personally be opposed to it if it did happen. As for a manufacturer supporting it, one major one probably will, AE. Just look at the results of the Reedy Race with that rule implemented. TC3's took home every podium position except for one.

Sorry,That was the point I was trying to make. Roar catters to the manufactures. If they want it it will happen..... or won`t if they don`t. What ROAR member racers think or want is moot.

i think the reason the tc3's did so well was due in large part to set-up. once they all got a good set-up, it was passed through the pits.

i have both a tc3 & a xxx-s, and if you walked the pits, the associated guys were running similar set-ups. now look at what the losi guys were doing, they weren't as unified, it seemed like there was no baseline set-up like what the associated guys were doing. i struggled and did really crappy w/ my losi - maybe i should've tried to work the tc3.

as for diffs only, i think it was a great idea. watching guys pass under breaking was a sight to see, and a helluvalot more realistic.

in comparison ( tc3 vs xxx-s), the losi has more steering than the tc3, assuming both have dual diffs, so i doubt the tc3 was more advantageous at the reedy race. the associated guys just found the set up faster than everyone else... and freely gave it to anybody with an associated.



btw, josh (won the 19t class) and andrew (won open mod) no longer drive tc3's, they're on xxx-s's - and these guys haven't missed a beat. bottomline, these guys can flat out drive and find a rock solid set-up.

Keep in mind that I do believe it was the ROAR members that voted in the 10 turn rule. ROAR just put it on the ballot.

Well one point of making oneways illegal will be that manufactures like say... Tamiya, and Yokomo who's cars come with dual oneways will no longer be legal unless if you go out and buy the diff and locked center shaft. Then it would seem that Roar is catering to one or two certain companies. Not saying that people can't afford to go out and buy and extra diff, but it's just a hassle. I really don't care what Roar does. I can race either way. But I honestly don't see why people shouldn't be allowed to use oneways. I guess dual diffs seem to be more of a "spectator" thing.

yep its more of a spectator thing ..." entertainment" ...

i personally love 2 diffs overtaking would look soo damn REAL
but with those running on 1 ways 2 diffs just couldn't make it .....
they are just faster on turns and almost everywhere else .....

Question?
 

Why slow these cars down? We have all this amazing technology and we want to impliment a rule that would slow them down? I don't see the reasoning in this, as far as I see it, the faster the cars go, the better the sport looks. People have to understand that RC is much different than 1:1 scale racing, and banning one-ways is only an attempt to mimmick full scale racing.

You must not have been asking any of the Losi guys for help because they were helping everyone around my pits with a Losi. Losi also had a couple of guys testing new products which will be coming out shortly. Matt Francis had the "set up" for the Losi and a few guys put it on their cars (myself included) Sorry to hear that you didn't do as well as you would have liked with the car but no one can give you a solution if they never hear a question.

I don't get this either. Last time I was at a club race I didn't exactly think of RC racing as a spectator sport. So who cars about late braking. I know there is magazine coverage and so on, but most tracks don't have bleechers and TV cameras. RC racing is about driving not just looking cool for the crowd.

Oneways are only faster with rubber tires, foams on carpet you will get killed with a oneway, you just can't drive into the turns as deep that's why you don't see oneways ran at Cleveland. Ban them or not ban them it makes no difference in my neck of the woods since no one here uses them anyways except on their Rs4 micros. :D

Guys i vote for no one ways ne where. Real cars dont have them so why should rc be allowed to run them. And these cars are based on the 1/10 scale of real things. The diff also allows drivers who cant master the one way to drive. It just allows alot better racing all around. And yes u will get killed if u run a one way with foam.

One more thing to remember. As innovative as R/C people are....what did they do WITHOUT the one way? Lock the diff!!!

So, no one way, no locked diffs, no clickers.......if one goes, so does the other!

Oh....and where is the TV remote?

Guys,
I'm curious as to why one-ways are more suited to rubber. Won't the additional traction be even better for one-way usage?

Oh btw, I never tried setting up the car on foams, only ran one pack on a set of loaned frewers' :rolleyes:

About why 1:1 scale cars not having one-way, will a full size one-way bearing handle the stress of 1:1 scale touring cars? Also, don't cars like (I could be mistaken - i am NOT a car nut lol) Skylines rear wheel drive for the most part and 4wd engages only at certain corners :confused:

Thanks.

~Alvin

PS: Would hate to run 4wd. Twice the maintenance if you get what I mean :lol:

drivers shld be free to choose whether to use a one way or not.
let's not use 'realism' as a factor in determining whether they shld be allowed. :)

Realism is the dumbest excuse I've seen used. We can't base realism on these cars. If so, then lets just ban electric sedans altogether and race Nitro!! Let's make all Electric Sedans Front engine!! Derrrr I Runt!!!!!!! :lol:

Sheesshhhh. As for running Foams and Oneways. I do. Works great on asphalt. Maybe you are talking about Foams on Carpet with Oneways. Not just oneways with Foams period. My laps increased by .5 a lap goin from Rubbers to Foams.

I don't know and don't care. I'm a Roar member and if there is a vote on it... I'll vote to keep oneways. If we can't... I'll just go to locked diff....... :D

Down with ROAR, up with the USTC!

How about a seperate one way class and a regular class. That way everyone is happy!

KilRuf: Yes, for the most part I am speaking of running oneways on carpet with foams. From my experience they're not great on asphalt with foams either.

Alvin: I don't know for a fact but I'm only theorizing, with rubbers what you always hear is people complaining that they don't have enough steering when running dual diffs, with a oneway you get the desired steering but it takes more finesse in driving and you can't drive as deep into the corners, you have to roll the car through corners. With foams on carpet, and mostly when you run carpet you run on a smaller track than what you normally would run outside in order to be fast you have to drive much deeper into the corners and oneways do not allow you to do that thus slowing you down.

Sigearhead: mmm from my "experience" 4WD gives the best amount of steering in low speed situations like hairpins, and slow corners, tight corners etc. In high speed sweepers, corners,schicanes the i feel the front one way will give more steering.

My theory is in high speed the front diff (possibly) unloads due to the cornering force, so you lose traction on front end when it unloads -> high speed cornering sucks. But when in high speed corner, a car with a front one way will not mind the front inner wheel unloading since the torque is split between both wheels. Low speed wise, it loses out to a 4wd vehicle simply, my best guess, no diff action :)

EDIT: This is what I can feel based on running rubber tires. I have no idea how it feels on foams though.

Alot of people like the realism of touring. Most of the asphalt tracks I have near me run rubber tires and the excuse is they are more like real racing. I personally like foams so I just go to places that you can run foam.

One ways or not the guys that are fast will still remain to be fast. It might help clean up racing a little but it is no way going to stop people from running up your rear. The guys that do it with one ways will just do it with diffs.

Now I did talk with a guy that siad a locked front diff setup is being made by IRS for the TC3. It is suppose to make you corner faster but more forgiving than a one way.

Reedy decided to require diffs after all the uproar over hacking at the Carpet Nat's in Stockton this year. Some guys were blaming their hacking on the front one-ways and having "no brakes." IMO, this is why he banned one-ways at the Reedy race. The talk about outbraking was simply a marketing speech, again, IMO.

the driving wasn't any cleaner at the Reedy than the carpet nats. IMO it's a POOR excuse to use full time diffs as an example of cleaner racing. The braking at the end of the straightaway made for some exciting passes but that was it. I saw people getting punted from behind with diffs. No matter what we run there are going to be guys that can't control their cars. There will always be short cuts arond the rules. One ways were banned.......along came locked front diffs. Take away something else then there will be something simular to take it's place. This is just my opinion.

I'm confused, you guys seem to be saying that 4wd is can go deeper into corners but the one way drivers are hitting you from behind.
In my opinion, one ways should be allowed at the higher levels of racing but banned from novice classes and lower club racing, even if just to get the cost of racing down.

psycho...you are right.

The hacking that went on...was just that...hacking.

There were a couple of times when the "two turn rule" was used....that being....when qualifying or racing.......let the faster car by!!!! If not......you got the punt.

I was there.....and saw quite a bit of it. IMO, there should actually be a different mod champion. One of those triples was....um.....well........UUUUUGLY!!!

Even with a diff there are low speed corners that you must slow down for that some people don't slow down for diff or not. A diff car can go deeper into a corner on power and then hit the breaks and make the turn where a oneway car will have to let off sooner to make the same turn. If you have experience with a oneway you'll know what I'm talking about.

Godzilla

ROAR's stance on regional and national events is to allow racers of all levels to participate. I totally agree with this. The hacking that we are speaking of was occuring at all levels.

Hmmm... maybe I shouldn't have brought this up again :rolleyes: Seems like March again.

I guess I don't see what not allowing oneways would accomplish. About half the top-line cars come with oneways, about half come with diff/locked layshaft. People who drive in too deep with a oneway, will drive in too deep with a diff too, probably. I can understand that if there's a wreck in front of you, and you don't have brakes because of a oneway you're probably going to run into it... but even with brakes if it's that close to you, most people would run into it anyways. Maybe no oneways will allow people to out-brake each other entering turns... that could also mean the person ahead entering the turn, will probably come down on the person driving in deeper, because when the person ahead starts his turn-in, he's clear and might not expect to have somebody roll up along side of him... so it might just mean more wrecks.

In all honesty, I really don't care if oneways are allowed or not. In foam classes I usually don't use them anyways. And in rubber classes, I can drive a car either way. I just don't see what banning oneways would accomplish.

It's funny all the realism freaks out there are saying it will make it more to scale, but then they run foams. Also who says you can't have brakes with a one-way? Barry runs double oneways and I have seen him use brakes at SoCal all the time. Your car is supposed to be setup correctly (no Tweak), and you will have brakes. You won't be able to turn and use brakes, but you break before the turn and accelerate out. Or you can roll on the throttle which is what I normally do.

I dont know about the rest of you, but there is nothing more exciting than driving in a tight race with at least one other car. One corner you gain some ground, next you brake late and go inside for the pass, but your a little wide coming out so he passes you again, but he takes the next corner just wide enough for a 190mm chassis to get through, so you peg it through the corner to day light and just hope you dont make the same mistake he just did!!

That is exciting!!
I think one-ways should be banned, locked diffs should be legel, because racers have always been able to adjust the tightness of the diffs, and removing the option to tighten the lock nut all the way down, or install a solid axle is to large a change. If they ban solid axles, do they have to test to see if you normal diff can turn? It is just stupid.

Get rid of one ways because no body wants to see one guy win by 2 laps.

IMO two cars racing side by side look a lot faster than a single car going through the same section.

I agree with Damo, I can use my brakes on my 414 with dual oneways and not worry about spinning out. I've even used them in mid turn just to kick around alittle if I am not gonna make the turn tight enough or swing out too wide. It's just throttle control. Proper setup is key.

And I've had plenty of tight races with a oneway. It's just knowing how to drive and how "not" to get in the way without spinning each other out is key.

Anyways, I'm not a control freak.... so Let the One-ways run!

If one guy is winning by two laps -- or even one lap -- it has nothing to do with a one-way diff.

I have never been to a big race (anything above the club level) and gotten bored watching the A mains for lack of competition.

The diffs have the upper hand in tight racing. If im running a diff and the guy im racing in front has a one way i know the maneuver. Give him a lil nudge and he goes right around. He tries it to me and it doesnt work. The diff just keeps loading which allows the car to suck into the corners. This allows for some good fender banging tight racing. That is whats fun. Not having a qual where if u get into someone just a lil bit to pass them and u spin. thats crap. the diff allows less mistakes in the process. easier to set up for also.

Ahh a hack I see!! :lol:

Why need to banned one way?
If you find dual diff easier to drive, use dual diff. If you find one way make you faster, why not use it? Let the player choose what is best for them. Banned the one-way will only limited the choice of the racer.
If the race authority get anal about one-way, they should also control the tire and motor. Let everybody use the same tire and motor. (or even the same chasis, and all these stuff is to be 'selected' by the authority)
I think it is a business issue rather than fairness issue.

I think front one-way is great. It allows you to carry much more speed through tight turns, with a little throttle manipulation. Also, if you are worried about being bumped and spinning out, then stay on the gas. The front one way is only effective when OFF the throttle. You still have 4WD when On the throttle.