Opinions on favorite motor builders?
 

I want to step up my motor program for sedan racing, I'm a club racer right now but I always want to have good equipment so the only excuse for losing is me (and that's usually it most of the time). I run stock or 19t depending on the turn out at our club, I see a lot of different builders on this site (EA, BrOOd, Pardigm, Brahma, ect.) and want you guys opinions on your favorite builders. Thanks!

Team High Velocity builds some great stock, 19, and stock motors. Their stock motors are some of the fastest, and have won many races. Not to mention that their prices are extremely low for the quality of product you get. http://www.teamhighvelocity.com/

Eric Anderson has proven to show well with his motor series. There is an EA thread on here. You just have to find someone you trust. I have run Kisbey, Fantom, KC, Wimpy, EA, and Racetech back in the day.
I can not say one is better than the other. Just different.

I have had good succes with Fantom.
I have had great sucess with Putnam, Paradigm, Big Jim and Team Brood.
I have not tried anyone else other than stock Reedy, Trinity, Epic and Orion.

ive tried EA and had excelent results.i also run Team scream,genesis,and Express and have had excelent results with all of them.seems like alot of the motor builders have it down real well.almost seems like you cant go wrong.:nod:

I've had really good success with RIP Motorsports, EA Motorsports, Team 1, Banzai. All of these have been good for me. I also hear Brood, Kinetix, Putnam and Kisbey are very good motors as well.

seriously, what is the difference between these "tuned" motors and a regular "un-tuned" version,

for example:
I go and buy a Monster stock from Tower for $24.99 and tune it myself ,
or I could go and buy a "tuned" Monster stock for up to $40.00

we have to Re-tune our motors every 6 or so runs anyway

what exactly do these Tuners do?
and would there be that much of a difference from doing it ourselves?

I understand that every now and then there would be a couple of Freak motors that pull BS numbers, but they would be given to team drivers right?

Just a note on the re-tuning every few runs, I ran the same brushes w/out turning the comm for 9 runs this past weekend @ the Texas State Champs in 19t sedan with no power loss, actually gained slightly on RPM and HP using Brahma's Cryptkeeper brush....

EA Motorsports....with Eric's knowledge and attention to detail as well as EA's excellent customer service and warranty, you just can't go wrong with an EA Motorsports motor!!:nod: :nod:

P.S. EA's batteries are definitely some of the best in the business.... During the first week of use (Snowbirds 05') both of EA's drivers made the A-main in Touring as well as a couple of drivers in oval!!:nod: :nod:

The only difference is the sticker, springs and brushes each company decides to put on them. If you buy a "tuned" motor you have less chance of getting a good motor as the majority of the better motors would more than likely be kept for the companies various drivers. In saying that there is less chance of getting a dud motor.

There's a lot more to it than that. Tuning guys have their reputation on the line with every motor they put out. If it isn't better than a the original manufacturer's then what's the point? And the word gets around.

My Fantom Limited Edition Stock Motor (Silver) ran like a 19T down the straights. I Turbo Dynoed it and tried every spring combo, brush combo and modded brush combos etc. and that took a good 2.5-3hrs. and I ended up going back to the original Fantom tuned set-up. I couldn't beat their combination of springs and brushes. But even with my other brush/springs combo's, the numbers were still better than my other original manufacturer's motors.

- Dyno-tuned with printout
- Re-balanced armature to modified armature balance specs
- Diamond trued commutator
- Re-zapped magnets
- Re-shimmed
- Polished Recessed bushings and shaft

So there's a lot more effort in these motors than one may think. And to me, that effort is worth paying for.

All the companies and people listed on this thread are top notch but EA Motorsports is hard to beat in my opinion, great support and the fact he's a hardcore racer himself keeps him in the "know" as far as what racers want. Not that there's a thing wrong with any of the other companies being recommened, I just like the fact the motor is coming from someone who's an actual racer (and pretty good at that) and not just a motor builder.

Personally here in the UK I would say that Demon Power products make the best stock motor on the market. Nick at Demon balances the arm, zaps the magnets, trues the comm, aligns the brush hoods, changes the springs etc....

All for the same price as the one from Trinity that aint even balanced!

I would 100% buy a motor from a tuner rather than one off the shelf in my local hobby store.

I'd like to add that everything we have is done in house. Nothing is sent out for other companies to do it for us.

We all have our favorite motors we buy and who we like to buy from. So I wont tell you mine are the best I will simply answer your question as to what we do:

-We first check the Magnetic field and log into an Excell sheet
-Magnets are Zapped using a Team 1 Magnet Zapper
-Magnetic field is then taken again and results are logged giving me a percentage in the increase of the Magnets.
-We then turn the comms
-Polish Bushing and Armature shafts using a special creme I found.
-We then put motor together and center armature in the can using the magnetic field and then shimming.
- We then install brushes and springs (tension being the same on both sides for even brush wear), lube the bushings and spin it up @ 2 volts for 60 seconds.
- Pull brushes out and align by brush wear not by an alignment tool. You get better contact doing it this way to make sure the brush is wearing evenly from the top left corner of brush to the bottom right and vica versa.
- Once hoods are aligned we then break the brushes in fully @ 2 volts for 300 seconds.
-Stiffer spring now goes on the positive side.
- Motor then sits for atleast an hour to room tempature and is run again for 30 seconds @ 2 volts, and is then put on the Dyno for results.

There is a bit more I do to my stock motors that I keep to myself and I can gaurantee it is nothing illegal, infact all our motors are ROAR legal and meet all standards of ROAR and soon we will be an affiliate of ROAR... This is just how we do our motors and is our opinion.

Really there are 4 motor "builders" that we regualarly deal with in RC... EPIC, TOP, YOK, and Mabuchi... all others are "tuners"...

dgullickson- nice to know.. and sure beats the hell out of trinity's

-pull motor out of box
-stick 4499's and red/green springs into motor
-run on dyno just long enough to get numbers
-print label
-stick into package

BTW: my favorite motor "builder"..... mabuchi and my favorite "tuner for those.... ME....lol here's my tuning regimine

-- pull motor out of package
-- oil bushings
-- put it in the car
-- put a big gear on it
-- race....... and my motors are just as fast as anyone elses....LOL


but seriously as for tuned motors I personally have had very good luck with Fantom.....

Quite right, & the biggest difference between the tuners & someone doing it all himself is that with any machine-wound motor(namely ALL stocks & most 19 turn motors), you can't guarantee if one particular armature will turn out ok, or be junk, & many times, you won't know how good it can be until you've already done all the work on it, & unfortunately a dog is a dog, nothing will change that. But the tuners I trust have already tested all their motors before we pay our money for 'em, so they've already disposed of the dog motors(many times by selling those as bashing motors or lower level motors) & the competition level ones that they sell you can count on. THAT'S what makes a tuner worth going to(& I've also had good luck with Fantom, Team 1, Paradigm, Fukuyama & have also seen excellent results from others like Putnam, Banzai, EA, etc.).....:cool:

Your exactly right! All the tuners that have been mentioned do great work. Speaking for my own Company we dont sell a "dog" those get sold as a sport motor. I mean lets be real here, when you buy a sport battery pack you know its one that hasnt met "spec" same applies with motor. Its a way to market something and still make your money back, Supply and Demand - it will never end.

I've had great results with KC racing.

See avatar.

Fastest in the NorthWest.

:tire: Axiom:tire:

The only tuner motors I've bought are Paradigm and Axiom stock and 19t motors. And from what I saw, the Axiom motors kicked the crap out of my Paradigm motors.

That's just been my experience.

cHECK OUT TEAM1RC.COM FOR SOME OF THE BEST i'VE EVER RUN. REMEMBER, GET A GOOD MOTOR AND RUN IT 3 RUNS. CUT IT, ALIGN THE HOODS(HUGE PART SOME BUILDERS SKIP) CHECK BUSHINGS WITH A REAMER AND YOU ARE NOW THE CAT ON THE STICKER!!!!!!!

For Stock Motors - I use EAMotorsports without a doubt - especially with those F-Brushes!!! They just hoof!!

For Modified Motors - I use DCMotorsports. They are a newish company but the experience is definately there with Curtis Schlaht!!! Try em out - www.dcmotorsports.net

my favorite tuners
 

same as above stock EA
same as above mod DC

funny im in canada and youre in austrailia and we use the same motors
:nod:

Yeh, they are just awesome. Such good workmanship on them, I've been stoked!!!

ADD TO THE LIST GENESIS MOTORS (and Batteries)

When you buy a non tuned motor chances are that you are getting a motor not balance, un trued,etc... or a motor that has been on the dyno and does not produce any power nor rpm. All in all Junk.

Genesis has no non Tuned motors. A stock motor that is not good it becomes a motor for lathe, serrator, sloter, etc...

All motor tuners have their secrets. brushes, com size, spring combo, magnet saturation, hood alignment, bushing alingment, arm balance, arm straightning, magnet honing, arm polishing, stack alignment, etc... A lot of work goes into our motors.

what it all boils down to is that once you have a company that you trust, support them so they can continue their business so you can also progress as well as they are. We spend alot of time researching set ups for our motors ,but without your business there is no RND.($$$)

Alot of people have, one of the major things that hold them back, is that Kenny or his drivers aren't on here throwing their name out at every chance. But they are great people with great motors and batteries. Good luck racing.

It seem's like Kenny is a little more reconized in the oval area.Good Luck to all KC drivers!

If you want to try the HP that has won the Snowbirds the last 3 years in a row, Cleveland and now another TQ and WIn at the ROAR Nats, give us a call...:cool:

Regards,
Todd Putnam
Putnam Propulsion
www.putnampropulsion.com

I dont want to toot our own horn but if your looking for stock or 19 turn motors Express is definatley a good choice. I think anyone that went to the Nats this weekend will attest that all the express cars had rediculous rip.

this past sunday my buddy gave me a brand new fantom motor (monster stock tuned)

it was utter crap. I'm glad i didnt buy it.
it broke in really odd, and it looked like it never got any tuning done to it at all...
for it to run right I had to run it on a lathe, and drop in new brushes... then it woke up... but Isn't the "tuner company" supposed to do that to their motors?

I usually just buy the handout chrome can purple endbell 27 turn motors and do the work myself...

Ive heard good things from people about Putnam who were at Coopers.

Yes they should. Heres what I posted before that we do to our motors:

We all have our favorite motors we buy and who we like to buy from. So I wont tell you mine are the best I will simply answer your question as to what we do:

-We first check the Magnetic field and log into an Excell sheet
-Magnets are Zapped using a Team 1 Magnet Zapper
-Magnetic field is then taken again and results are logged giving me a percentage in the increase of the Magnets.
-We then turn the comms
-Polish Bushing and Armature shafts using a special creme I found.
-We then put motor together and center armature in the can using the magnetic field and then shimming.
- We then install brushes and springs (tension being the same on both sides for even brush wear), lube the bushings and spin it up @ 2 volts for 60 seconds.
- Pull brushes out and align by brush wear not by an alignment tool. You get better contact doing it this way to make sure the brush is wearing evenly from the top left corner of brush to the bottom right and vica versa.
- Once hoods are aligned we then break the brushes in fully @ 2 volts for 300 seconds.
-Stiffer spring now goes on the positive side.
- Motor then sits for atleast an hour to room tempature and is run again for 30 seconds @ 2 volts, and is then put on the Dyno for results.

There is a bit more I do to my stock motors that I keep to myself and I can gaurantee it is nothing illegal, infact all our motors are ROAR legal and meet all standards of ROAR and soon we will be an affiliate of ROAR... This is just how we do our motors and is our opinion.

Less chance of getting a dog, less chance of getting a real gem? That sounds okay, and worth the extra money alone. But, what are the odds of either of those really happening? Would any of the tuners care to disclose the numbers, on say a batch of 100 motors, of how many are sold as "sport" motors, how many are saved for team drivers, and how many are sold to the masses?

I've had good luck with the tuned motors I got from EA, and I love the life and wear characteristics of his F-brushes. I can't say that I've noticed it being significantly faster than my non-tuned stock motors, but as you said, I feel confident at that point that the motor isn't getting in my way, and only I can be to blame for sucking.

You can also learn to do some of this stuff yourself, both for maintenance reasons and/or tuning your own stuff. Power to the people. :-D

Edit: To be fair, most of my driving with the EA motor was on a short/small track. I suspect it would have a better chance to shine on a larger track. Either way, the quality of the work and the awesome brushes were worth the cost on their own. Being faster is a fringe benefit, at least in club racing.

I dont save any for my team drivers, they get what others can buy.

I have sent e-mails to Putnam and EA with no replies, been 5 days since I e-mailed EA and 3 since I e-mailed Putnam. I'm not getting impaitient, I know you guys are busy, just waiting to here back from you on the info I requested. Thanks again!:)

I run High Velocity... greats stuff! Very happy with it. I am currently using there Hurricane motor (monster based)

You can contact John (owner of HV) at [email protected] and I'm sure he will get back to you by tonight. Or pm him, his name is johnny boy :nod:

Maybe they are just swamped? I know I answer mine real fast as I hear it chime when an e-mail comes in.

New magnets
 

This seems like a decent place to bring it up, seeing as its viewed by some motor guru's.
IF the statement proves to be correct, that they will allow "Rare earth" magnets, (such as Cobalt Neodinium,etc, ) to compete with Brushless. (edit: I have seen more than 1 post throughout this forum stating or commenting that this is an option being considered)

Like i said, IF the proposal/idea goes ahead

What sort of performance gain will we see?

Is it just goint to be more torque?
or longer lasting magnets, less heat fade,

And any idea regarding $$?

How will this affect stocck racing? is there a BL motor thats comparable to a normal 27t fixed can stocker?

Any motor builders or manufactures care to comment?

Team Trinity/Epic has a lot of hp. just look up who won stock touring at the birds..Jeff Cuffs-team trinity