![]() |
Originally Posted by celt
(Post 12721113)
Vue and I both plan to make it down along with seven to eight others we've introduced to the best racing RC has to offer!
Interesting... We've had a number of guys say that they dig the mini's, but would like the ease and long run times of brushless. many hate the idea of tweaking motors. We allowed 21.5 and that almost killed the class. Guys were cranking up the timing more and more to the point that there was a huge discrepancy in the competitors speed, that it destroyed the quality of racing - no two cars on the track had even close to similar speeds. Most of the guys just quit because of it. Guys were going so fast, they couldn't drive it or worse yet, they would collect three racers in the sweeper and take them off the track! The short of it is; We desperatly want to allow brushless for all the obvious reasons, but need some help / advice in how to maintain the qaulity of racing silver cans offer. Looking for ideas from anyone...I suspect we will have to deal with the brushless question sooner than later. The only option I see would be to spec a brushless motor that doesn't have timing adjustment on the end bell. |
Originally Posted by kwkride
(Post 12721146)
Just to clarify, I race in Omaha every Wednesday evening.
For those races, we run 21.5 brushless. Blinky ESCs and and the motor timing must be left at the factory out-of-the-box setting. It's very close racing and a lot of fun. We don't send someone home if they show up with a silver can, but we encourage them to change if they plan to run weekly. For the "HobbyPLEX Winter Carpet Onroad Series" (which is a series of 5 races over the winter) Tim is allowing silver cans as well as 21.5. This must be where howardcano ran last weekend. Since I don't run in that series, I don't know what Tim's going to do to even out the playing field. Last year I just turned down my throttle until I couldn't turn the fastest lap in each heat. It was a bunch more fun than lapping everybody, so I'll probably do it again. I would fully support going only brushless, as long as there is an RPM limit. Otherwise it's just a matter of finding the 21.5 with the highest RPM at the factory timing setting. I can provide the tachometer at the series races to measure brushless motor RPM while the motor is in the car. My apologies here, as this is sort of off subject. |
Originally Posted by celt
(Post 12721148)
What motor do you like?
I think guys were cranking the timing past the factory maximum - they were pretty fast. |
Originally Posted by howardcano
(Post 12721346)
I'll get anything that doesn't have mechanical stops on the timing adjustment. (And used, since I'm cheap!) The Novak Ballistic comes to mind (as Raman uses), but there may be others. Advancing the timing far enough to get the same top speed as a silver can will reduce the efficiency and power output, but it should still be quite sufficient. However, it is very hard on the ESC, as the ripple currents go way up, so one needs to be careful.
|
Originally Posted by howardcano
(Post 12721346)
I'll get anything that doesn't have mechanical stops on the timing adjustment. (And used, since I'm cheap!) The Novak Ballistic comes to mind (as Raman uses), but there may be others. Advancing the timing far enough to get the same top speed as a silver can will reduce the efficiency and power output, but it should still be quite sufficient. However, it is very hard on the ESC, as the ripple currents go way up, so one needs to be careful.
|
Originally Posted by Raman
(Post 12721689)
Since its a 21.5 I can't imagine it being very hard on ESC's. I run a Novak Edge and had little issues.
21.5 motors aren't hard on ESC's until the timing is really advanced. At 90 degrees, any ESC will go poof. And the motor won't turn at all! So I won't do that. If I get a Ballistic, I'll measure how far the timing must be advanced to get the same kV rating as the TCS-spec silvercan, and post the result. Or perhaps you can do this, and save me some effort? I'd appreciate it! |
Originally Posted by howardcano
(Post 12721746)
I'll also be using the Edge, since I have one.
21.5 motors aren't hard on ESC's until the timing is really advanced. At 90 degrees, any ESC will go poof. And the motor won't turn at all! So I won't do that. If I get a Ballistic, I'll measure how far the timing must be advanced to get the same kV rating as the TCS-spec silvercan, and post the result. Or perhaps you can do this, and save me some effort? I'd appreciate it! |
Originally Posted by kwkride
(Post 12719214)
I would assume that they are talking about these red anodized lower shock mounts.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8089/8...cfda96d6_c.jpg |
Originally Posted by abi787
(Post 12766911)
Hi, kwkride.what's the weight on the brass clamps
|
Originally Posted by bizkit1
(Post 12703863)
Ok, never messed with a M06, but I just bought the "R" model and need to know about shock length. It's going to be used on high traction carpet and I know about the oring trick for the other minis, but this R has be baffeled. I know it has the two different length shocks for front and back, but the rear hop up mounts makes be wonder if I change any length. So can I get some thought on it? Thank you.
Fuzz |
Originally Posted by Raman
(Post 12659886)
I'm foreseeing (wishfully) an M06 release with the Alfa Romeo 4C. It would be a perfect fit, rear wheel drive, super light weigh small sports car. Perfect for an M chassis
Now a DeLorean on the other hand... |
Hy guys,
some update on my personal carpet setup. last weekend , 1st carpet TCS was held in our local Series. M-Chassis was the class with most entries :) The Carpet had a very high grip level , and only non-oil additives were allowed. ( SXT 3.0, Mighty Gripper V3...) After struggling the whole training day and the first two Qulifiying Heats for finding the right setup (i had so much understeering) , following setup made me smile :) M-06R : Front: Type A (glued on the side) SXT 3.0 Additive on the inner side of the Tire (for 20 minutes) tires not heated 300 oil blue springs no sway bar Rear: Gear Diff S-Grip (full Additive for 30 minutes) 400 oil Red Springs no sway bar carbon Damper Stay - dampers on the outest position (straight up) AND: Red HUBS mounted reverse !!! Left on the right side and right on the left side- for nearly 0 degree on the rear. And guys believe me, that was really awesome. fastest lap times and fastest heat. finally ended up in 2nd position, because i lost a tire in the finals *g* because it was not tightened strong enough -> i feel ashamed , because i was in first position with about 6-7 seconds ahead of the second one... nevertheless i was that happy, because i knew the car is so fantastic , as long as the setup works fine... maybe this may help one of you :) |
Aitutaki congrats, what wheelbase and body? Hope there are videos :)
I agree with the gear diff :nod: |
Congrats to you also from me, Aitutaki!
For sure we want to know every detail of your setup. Spring set from the R-Kit I guess? Shock length/ground clearance? ;) Last time I raced TCS 2 years ago, only Type A Slicks were allowed. Are you allowed to use M-grips in Austria? Tough job you did chasing the FWD´s, too bad with the tire.:flaming: What motor did you run, and which battery? Our spec racing class changes to Lipo next year, so I´m just thinking about taking the M06 back out and try to bring the power of the Lipo on the carpet. Also thinking about new tire choices, so I´ll probably have to try your mixed setup with Slicks and Radials! Keep on the good work, Br Matthias |
1 Attachment(s)
Originally Posted by rccartips
(Post 12779339)
Aitutaki congrats, what wheelbase and body? Hope there are videos :)
I agree with the gear diff :nod: but i am sorry, no chance to make some movies during driving :lol: i will ask some other driver to make a video next race in january... but i attached a photo before starting the finals and i switched from m-05 ball diff to gear diff during finding the right setup. there is no need for balldiff on a high grip carpet track i guess..
Originally Posted by ruebiracer
(Post 12780045)
Congrats to you also from me, Aitutaki!
For sure we want to know every detail of your setup. Spring set from the R-Kit I guess? Shock length/ground clearance? ;) Last time I raced TCS 2 years ago, only Type A Slicks were allowed. Are you allowed to use M-grips in Austria? Tough job you did chasing the FWD´s, too bad with the tire.:flaming: What motor did you run, and which battery? Br Matthias kit springs (the black ones) you are right. shocks are build as mentioned in the manual.the length depends on the ground clearance. clearance : about 5mm, sorry can't remember in detail... yes in Austria , normally Type A are allowed. but also kit tires are allowed, and all kits have different tires, thats why all tamiya radials are allowed too :) (standard , Ms and S Grips) this is made to increase the number of racers in this class ... and personally i think this is a step in the right direction... |
| All times are GMT -7. It is currently 02:33 PM. |
Powered By: vBulletin v3.9.3.9 Patch Level 3
Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.