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NutDriver 05-27-2021 10:28 AM


Originally Posted by simple (Post 15791095)
This is getting outta control... Do all things lead to an ugly wedge?!
HARD PASS
https://www.redrc.net/2021/05/xtreme...y/#more-199360


ETC has already banned it from competition under their umbrella.

anthonyscardina 05-28-2021 03:40 AM


Originally Posted by mrreet2001 (Post 15791155)
While I do see a trend of USGT bodies going this way, isn't this a Fronti body? Is this even going to be USGT legal?

I've not had a look at the rules in a while, but FWD certainly used to be allowed, and with no minimum weight at that. I've only ever seen a couple guys try it. I considered the T4F but it came out right as the local track shut down.

mrreet2001 05-28-2021 05:36 AM


Originally Posted by anthonyscardina (Post 15791373)
I've not had a look at the rules in a while, but FWD certainly used to be allowed, and with no minimum weight at that. I've only ever seen a couple guys try it. I considered the T4F but it came out right as the local track shut down.

Yes the chassis are allowed, but last I looked into it most of the bodies made specifically for the FWD / Fronti class were not on the approved list for USGT.
Example: Protoform Europa 1565 Is not on the USGT list. Also the Bitty HC-F isn't on the approved list.

simple 05-28-2021 06:11 AM

A Body does not have to be on "the list" to be approved...

"Body Specifications: Refer to body list for currently available/approved bodies. FWD MUST use FWD bodies."
"Scale realism consideration: Bodies intended for the USGT class should conform as closely as possible to the full scale car it represents."
"Body approval is a subjective process"
"DISCONTINUED BODIES: Discontinued unlisted bodies will be added as the USVTA sees fit to add them in based on the spirit of the class. Your Local track can always make adjustments to this rule...Please use the following if you want to deviate from the Body list for local racing DISCONTINUED BODIES general guidelines: *Any 190mm or 200mm body appropriate for this class. *Body can be any body that is NOT or HAS NOT BEEN on the ROAR T2 body list."


Up until recently, all the FWD bodies have fallen within these guidelines, without ALL being on "the list"....

mrreet2001 05-28-2021 06:23 AM


Originally Posted by simple (Post 15791396)
A Body does not have to be on "the list" to be approved...

"Body Specifications: Refer to body list for currently available/approved bodies. FWD MUST use FWD bodies."
"Scale realism consideration: Bodies intended for the USGT class should conform as closely as possible to the full scale car it represents."
"Body approval is a subjective process"
"DISCONTINUED BODIES: Discontinued unlisted bodies will be added as the USVTA sees fit to add them in based on the spirit of the class. Your Local track can always make adjustments to this rule...Please use the following if you want to deviate from the Body list for local racing DISCONTINUED BODIES general guidelines: *Any 190mm or 200mm body appropriate for this class. *Body can be any body that is NOT or HAS NOT BEEN on the ROAR T2 body list."


Up until recently, all the FWD bodies have fallen within these guidelines, without ALL being on "the list"....


Please use the following if you want to deviate from the Body list for local racing
A local track can make any mods to the rules they want. ;)

V8 Rumble 05-28-2021 06:32 AM

I use my europa and another racer used the zoo racing gorilla. I just went by the guide lines and asked the track.

STLNLST 05-28-2021 06:39 AM

90% of the tracks use modified Roar rules anyway. Roar never originally outlined rules for brushless classes to begin with let alone body approvals. The way I see USGT is like trying to saddle train a wild horse. They have let so much stuff go that it will be damn near impossible to real it back in. The USGT spec motor is probably the best idea for the class but locally and online ive heard whining of it’s slower than my certified this of I dont want to buy another motor that.....we as racers SUCK. We a decision is made for us we will bitch and complain and then if no decision is made and it’s left to interpretation (sort of like now) we complain of yester year. The top guys locally have been fast with the spec motor and whatever “Roar leagl”🤦🏽‍♂️ Motor they decide to run. USGT is broken down into so many levels in my area that I’m almost tempted to push for a 6ft and over class.....hell everything else has a class🤣🤣🤣🤣. I just want to have fun in the class and work on driving if the playing field is level because the rules are CLEARLY outlined and followed. If you’re wondering what area I’m referring to it’s Northern California.

mrreet2001 05-28-2021 07:00 AM


Originally Posted by STLNLST (Post 15791417)
90% of the tracks us modified Roar rules anyway. Roar never originally outlined rules for brushless classes to begin with let alone body approvals. The way I see USGT is like trying to saddle train a wild horse. They have let so much stuff go that it will be damn near impossible to real it back in. The USGT spec motor is probably the best idea for the class but locally and online ive heard whining of it’s slower than my certified this of I dont want to buy another motor that.....we as racers SUCK. We a decision is made for us we will bitch and complain and then if no decision is made and it’s left to interpretation (sort of like now) we complain of yester year. The top guys locally have been fast with the spec motor and whatever “Roar leagl”🤦🏽‍♂️ Motor they decide to run. USGT is broken down into so many levels in my area that I’m almost tempted to push for a 6ft and over class.....hell everything else has a class🤣🤣🤣🤣. I just want to have fun in the class and work on driving if the playing field is level because the rules are CLEARLY outlined and followed. If you’re wondering what area I’m referring to it’s Northern California.

USGT isn't a ROAR class.

robk 05-28-2021 08:07 AM

That body would never make it.

The usgt body rules have been changed. After seeing some recent trends, i wanted to let everyone know there won't be much tolerance for stuff like the sherock

http://www.usvintagetransam.com/rule...es5-9-2021.pdf

JayL 05-28-2021 11:46 AM

STLNLST: I'd be down for that 6ft and over class with you :)

to me the spec motor is dumb, ROAR already has extreme motor testing rules, why create more monopolies?

We went to the 'all same tested motor' for an entire series, guess what: the same guys finished in the same order they did before the enforced motor rule.

That said I do wish we had more of a four door GT body oriented class/ruleset

robk 05-28-2021 02:31 PM

The spec motor will be the same for the foreseeable future, unlike the open motor situation where there is a new hotness every few months.

STLNLST 05-28-2021 03:22 PM


Originally Posted by mrreet2001 (Post 15791421)
USGT isn't a ROAR class.

yet all track seem to follow Roar based rules for equipment....batteries, motors....etc. only one track here in Northern California embraced the actual USGT rules with the spec motor and it didn’t even last a whole season as you have R1 home track and Team Powers home track in surrounding areas.


STLNLST 05-28-2021 03:28 PM


Originally Posted by JayL (Post 15791497)
STLNLST: I'd be down for that 6ft and over class with you :)

to me the spec motor is dumb, ROAR already has extreme motor testing rules, why create more monopolies?

We went to the 'all same tested motor' for an entire series, guess what: the same guys finished in the same order they did before the enforced motor rule.

That said I do wish we had more of a four door GT body oriented class/ruleset

Roar doesn’t even enforce some of their own rules so bad example to use....lol. The spec motor was great IMO as if gave the whiners what they wanted as they said all the fast guys have hand picked motors. You’ve been there hearing the same bs I heard. Then the spec motor was too slow 😭.

when are you coming out of retirement? F1 has been pretty killer lately. USGT has been a blast as well.


OSherman 05-29-2021 10:44 AM


Originally Posted by robk (Post 15791437)
That body would never make it.

The usgt body rules have been changed. After seeing some recent trends, i wanted to let everyone know there won't be much tolerance for stuff like the sherock

http://www.usvintagetransam.com/rule...es5-9-2021.pdf


I sincerely say ThankYou.

john holmes 69 05-29-2021 09:24 PM

Roar is a joke
 

Originally Posted by JayL (Post 15791497)
STLNLST: I'd be down for that 6ft and over class with you :)

to me the spec motor is dumb, ROAR already has extreme motor testing rules, why create more monopolies?

We went to the 'all same tested motor' for an entire series, guess what: the same guys finished in the same order they did before the enforced motor rule.

That said I do wish we had more of a four door GT body oriented class/ruleset

Roar changes the rules to fit the companies that it has friendships with . Example ( the R1 rotor rule ) and most tracks allow motors that aren’t even roar legal . They just have to be built to roar specs in hope that they pass and everyone is allowed to run them.


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