yep at comp level we run the muchmore 17.5 locked timing motor. This is also used in 2wd stock buggy in some comps and at least 2 clubs I know of locally.

COST YES, TIGHTEN UP THE RACING, NO

you should try and see what the masses are up to....the masses have already converted to the NEW breed of motors, did we lose some on the way, yes....but no way near the majority...or even close. Every major event Ive been to has had USGT, and its normally the largest class. And the killer is all of them are running new breed motors with some exception in the mix...maybe 5-8 out of 60 cars....including myself.

so I dont understand how or why we are looking to change this. I do see the need to change the IR like with 25.5, so there is a stopping point. But when your largest class is 60 deep and they paid $100 or more to race them...thats good for the hobby.

and that IS the Masses

well said Darkside
This is the most sensible reply to this topic I have seen

as with all racing, the fast guys will still be fast. The main thing to remember is not everyone can win. Get out there and have fun because no mater how many rules guidelines or regulations that are placed out there the ones who can drive and make the least mistakes will still be the one winning the races.

It would tighten up the racing, but how much tighter you want to get it i'm not sure. At some point tight racing comes from people with equal skill sets.

I hate the idea of paying that much for a motor.

Also, given that you are not paying full out of the pocket price like the rest of us are, not sure you can have a bias opinion about that side of the conversation. It's easy to say " Price is not the issue " when you are paying 50% for the stuff you race. ( Not sure and don't care of actual number but you get my drift )

The IR change would be nice to get equal motors, but bringing the price down would be fantastic as well.

I race with old stuff. Old car, old radio, old motors, old cheap batteries. Now where we race that is not the norm, but a lot of places it is. Can't forget about the little guy, even if we are commoners 2 laps down as you so elegantly put it.

Of course the idea of running $500 chassis in USGT baffles me as much as $150 motors ( We wonder why the sport isn't growing...lol )

Changing the price point on a motor means little when competing against top of the line chassis, which I have seen first hand make just as much of a difference as a motor does. That's a whole 'nother conversation in itself though...

Except the problem still occurs with those $150 motors, there is STILL a certain amount of variability. So to carry your argument to its logical conclusion you will be buying four motors at $150 each, $600 spent, in order to cherry-pick the best.

I don't mind the small amount of variability in the same motor, my driving skills aren't enough to take advantage of that very small advantage. I DO mind the differences between different generations of the motors, that I CAN see the difference in performance on the track.

Remember back when the argument for adopting brushless motors in racing was that it would eliminate the "motor of the week"? We'd be able to buy one motor and run it for the rest of our racing career, to hear them sell it back then. Now instead of $40 tool box anchors my "last week motors" were $120 each and headed for $150. And guess what...racing isn't any "better" for the extra money. It's incrementally faster, but it is not "better". The racers are the losers. Again.

YES, TRUE...AND THATS THE ISSUE, IF IT IS MOTORS TODAY, IT WILL BATTERIES LATER, OR EVEN SERVOS...IT NEVER ENDS

It never does, very good point...

Also digging that body, that looks really really good.

I'm curious if the advent of 21.5 "stock" Touring Car turns out to be a stake in the heart of USGT. I know I prefer the USGT bodies over the "jelly bean" TC bodies but I can't see RC being able to sustain two almost identical classes over any sort of long haul. I can certainly see the desire to make TC more "accessible" to newer (or average older racers like me) so I can't fault that move at all.

BOOOOOOOOOO.......


#USGT4LIFE

Hmmm... it's a possibility. Our club has been running a 25.5 TC class. For a while VTA and 25.5TC coexisted, but in short time VTA was dead and has been for almost a year. I don't think we'll see that with our USGT class, though, for a couple of reasons. For one, we don't run a 21.5 TC class. Two, USGT and 25.5 TC are the most popular classes. I think there would be resistance to the startup of yet another TC class locally.

I'll hope so.

This has come up the last several days as our local club establishes class rules for our upcoming season. The guys who race TC (the one class I do not race) are looking at moving to a 21.5 spec. We don't do USGT locally so I only get to race it when I travel...and it turns out the class is (supposedly) dying out in neighboring ND where I do get to have my USGT fix. Their solution being proposed is to run the USGT and TC together. ARGH!! I don't recall their TC program as being particularly "robust" so why they don't decide on one class or the other (and stick with USGT) is beyond me.

Maybe it's time for me to beat the drum of change locally and petition to kill TC if we're going to 21.5 in favor of the aesthetically FAR more pleasing USGT class that was already running 21.5.

We'll see.

If that happens, we not only lose great-looking, realistic bodies, but the Ride spec tires. It's not often mentioned, but the tires have been fantastic for the class; they last nearly forever on carpet, and maintain their grip over many more runs than TC slicks of ANY compound.

No one needs to have a $150 motor to compete at a local level. It is all what you preceve to need. As said in this thread before 9 times out of 10 the perceeved differance is in the speed carried from the corner before.

Sheesh you do where I race....

Seriously......Very fast guys at my local track