+1 here also use the same esc as vta will make it more fun.

At our track, we have something similar (but a little simpler) to this. However, we require zero timing advance mode (most programmable esc's can be updated to include this mode). We also run solaris hard compound tires as a spec tire, they last a very long time on pavement. It is a class that attracts new people (due to slower speeds, realistic bodies and a level playing field) and also experienced guys, because it emphasizes quality driving over raw speed and electronic trickery. We just refer to it as Super GT.

I think zero timing is crucial. Timing boost has seriously damaged rcgt out here and frankly, it makes this hobby/sport that much harder (and intimidating) for new people to enter.

I can't think of it exactly but there was a class or a car or something else called Super GT. Once upon a time.

Pros:
GT cars look nice, marginally faster than TA, nice stepping stone out of TA or starting point for the beginning racer. Is fairly inexpensive to start up.

Cons:
Open Speed controls, open 21.5 motors, potentially faster than the 17.5 stock/locked timing TCs. Could become as bad as TC with speedo wars.

Suggestion: Use 25.5s if you want the open ESC, else stick to the 21.5 Cirtix combo. It will still be marginally faster than TA and promote close competition. If other companies come on board with an acceptable combo, like Novak, Tekin etc, then regulate them into the mix.

In my opinion, push the easy button and lets race em.

Yeah, but there's also a "Formula 1" and people don't rename the RC Formula 1 racing to some alternate acronym like "RCF1" - why do we insist on complicating everything :)

I think I have heard the term RCF1 used as well.

Oh yeah here. http://www.rcf1.com/

Any more traction on this?

we have been running 21.5/open speedo with 17.5/non programmable and they are very close in speeds and lap times, I dont see where either has an advantage other than driver skill..

What's the formula that made Short Course and Rock Crawling so popular???



Here it is, READY TO RUN from a manufacture and cheap.



This is the problem with spec classes for on-road, there's zero manufacture support. We need manufactures to put together RTR's that are basically the same or follow a set of rules.

That way when people go into a hobby shop and want to start racing there not overwhelmed with all the separate items they need to buy just to race.

HPI made an attempt by releasing a VTA RTR but screwed up by not following the rules and put the wrong kind of motor and ESC in the car. If they just would have done the right thing VTA may be much larger than it is today.

I love on-road racing and am extremely disappoint in the decline that has occurred over the last few years. But people have a tendency to migrate where most others have and that's Short Course at this point.

So Rob or anyone else with links to a manufacture if you want on-road to make a resurgence we need an RTR from more than 1 manufacture that follow the same rules and is inexpensive. It can be done, it doesn’t have be a carbon fiber high end TC to be successful. Once people get hooked on racing they'll move into other classes. This is exactly what all the manufactures of Short Course trucks have done and now it’s the largest RC class in the US.

I commend Rob and others for trying to create a new class and I hope it's successful.

you talking about this...and it still has the logo.....can Novak and HPI get together for us and we will see the change in the wind...Ive been seeing ppl go buy the Sprint Sport VTA(Camaro Z28) and change out the ele...fairly cheap still, but still not RTR...

http://www.hpiracing.com/kitinfo/100422/

That's it. I can't believe they would put a 5700Kv motor in a VTA car. Rob you should get all over these guy's for using the USVTA logo but not being complaint with the rules.

Everyone seems to like the 2 powertrain options here in Indy. We tested standard rubber tires over X-Patterns this past Sunday and it worked out fine. Out of our 8 or so cars we had every combination of body/motor/tire you could use.

you guys still at Indy Slots and the Rug?...

The RUG:nod:

HPI loves VTA and I am sure would love to produce an RTR that would plug right in to the program. The problem is that you have to produce these things in HUGE numbers to make them cost effective. Making the Sprint with the Novak out of the box or just producing it without a motor or esc is just not feasable because they have to cater to the basher market as well. Thats the lions share of their sales. The only way it works as well as it does is because they can sell it to bashers and the VTA guy can pick it up and just make the changes to the powertrain. Of course you no longer have to spend the money for the Flux. Now you can get the sprint2 sport with the new 69 Camaro shell and VTA wheels. At least I think you can.