Thanks

Maybe not. . by watching RClive video.... Mike is a good driver and he is smooth...he kelp his car corner speed better than the leader.. It look like the leader is so worry that Mike was on his rear end and trying not to make mistake...
Mike car rolled a lot .which mean his TC4 could be heavy than your..
Mike Old Radio is heavy his TC4 could be too
Like Darkside mention Mike bodies heavy multi-colored

Correct, these cars seem to be mostly stock but still fast enough to compete....

I still have an unpainted HPI Saleen S7R body!

LOL unrealistic paint job on an unrealistic body. If I could only count the number of real GT cars that looked like that...what a flagrant violation of why USGT was created. Oh well, time to get out of this silly hobby anyway. If Im going to have a money pit it might as well be my motorcycle which I can actually ride to other places.

I kind of have to laugh at this and your signature man. That is a classic RC paint job and I LOVE it! I actually am a painter and love how the checkers look.

Why am I laughing? I raced onroad back in the foam tire days. I left back in 2009 due to life work commitments and about 1.5 years ago got back into it. From 2009 until now, wow, these things have got way fast, but still fun. So I started racing USGT. I wasn't apart of the beginning, nor care about the spirit of the body rules (ESPECIALLY about how one is painted). I liked the look and how they are different from a normal TC body. Are these "realistic" in real racing? Hell no. But to quit a hobby over bodies and the fact that not everyone was around or cares about making it look like a real race car...really?

To each their own. If there was that big of a rub for you, how about do 21.5 TC or WGT-R, or 1/12.

Lets not screw around here. "Real paint" doesn't matter. And if you need examples of extravagant paint, look up the BMW and Porsche art cars. Give me high effort paint jobs. Spraybomb flouro green, yellow, and orange is boring, lazy, and if I can see through your paint, you're either lazy or far to concerned about two grams. That person put effort into their paint, that's awesome.

Even my single "color" car for USGT, actually has two colors on it, and masking. And then a couple hours of decals.

I'm waiting for someone to paint this livery.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rct...5a07a37692.jpg

Just rename USGT to "Touring Car". Apparently the stupid looking TC bodies have crept in, as well as the stupid looking TC paintjobs, while you're at it, might as well allow the "performance" stupid looking dish wheels.

Really? Quitting a hobby because people have their own taste in paint schemes? Lol funny stuff.

GT cars have two doors. TC's have four. The TC body standard has gotten kinda... very... abused.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rct...87977511a4.jpg
There's a guy in California I think that uses this scheme. Runs a Gizmo car

YOUTUBE: 1/5th scale BMW art car, saw a guy doing this scheme about 2 years ago. My favorite is my Alexander Calder BMW Art Car M410......but you knew that already.

You are right, I love that Alexander Calder BMW, makes it easier to see my target! :rolleyes:

Now all you have to do is catch me. :eek: :lol:

How long until USGT tires are "good" on black carpet? When the treads are semi-worn?

I bought a new set a few months ago but only have maybe ~8 packs thru them. No, I did not sand/scuff them down a bit (probably should have). Unfortunately forgot to ask a local fast racer to swap tires as I was battling setup issues. Front sidewalls are glued, rears are not.

Hey Glenn and Mark....wish I could trash talk with you guys, but I don't think I can catch either one of you!!!!....:cry:

I have a 16month old set, seen at least 50 race days that are still good but getting a bit too ballooned for black carpet. (FYI balloon tires are awesome for low grip surfaces).

Yes , I have seem them in the past on other driver car...it took me a little while to finding out why the tries cause to ballooning ..turn out to be the racer are using much hotter tire sauce than SXT...

That could be but not in my 50 race day set. They ballooned because as they soak (over soak perhaps a few times) the insert swells a little each time. After that many applications of sauce the tire stretches more and more. I use SXT only FYI.

What I mean is when are they considered fully broken in? (providing maximum grip) Not how long they last.

they really don't last very long. They start to swell up about 10 to 16 runs on them and by 20 runs their really bad. What happens is you start chasing your setup compensating for the tires. Sure you can keep running them and for typical club days you'll get by but you'd be faster with newer ones. I usually use one new set per race day and save them for practice days and once they swell they go in the trash.

For asphalt worn in and rounded tires work amazing here (so long as the wheels aren't cracked by then lol).

Carpet guys and Asphalt guys should form an exchange program. Let the carpet guys run new set tires and when broken in exchange them with asphalt guys for a brand new set of tires. Win win :D

that would be a sweet setup

And the USGT body standard is getting just as abused. Like I said, just call it Touring Car, no difference anymore, might as well throw in those stupid dish wheels too.

I can still spot a GT car versus a TC car at 200'. There may need to be some pushback. But it's still very different from TC. The seventeen TC body classes I can't tell at range. That's a critical failure of most r/c car classes.

2020 LeMans rule change
 

With LMP car being eliminated from the 24 hrs of LeMans after this year, might be a good time to prepare and rewrite the GT body List with a 1 year notice.

What if we split USGT into 2 classes? There is always a war going on between the "win at all cost" crowd vs the scale crowd. I say give them what they want, scale guys run the GT class (has to be a real car, real liveries, run at LeMans, maybe even 25.5). Performance's oriented racers can keep their body of the week (that are not really GT cars but more like hypercars) such as the pzero, R-tek, Venom and other super/hypercars.

Simplest way to differentiate is what class do they run at Lemans, Sebring or similar endurance races. Vette, viper, 911, Aston Martin are all true GT cars. Pagani, McLaren Saleen are super/hypercars.

FYI Hypercars will replace LMP prototypes in 2020 so this would be the perfect opportunity to follow suit in RC. A class for scale guys (GT). & Hypercars for the performance crowd. Could this work with a 1 year notice to prepare racers and manufactuers? Thoughts?

Yeah, i think that was already created. The 2 classes are called 21.5 Touring and USGT.

One off art cars show up for one race usually but feel free to compare apples to golf balls. Oh and yes, real paint does matter.

...... and, they end up like this one .....https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rct...9da0235d28.jpg

Answered it yourself, turn TC 21.5 into a place for DP and hyper car bodies and let the scale guys have USGT.

That solves the entire constant complaint t about bodies issue for good.

The absolute last thing onroad needs is another class. the classes are way to diluted already.

Looks like about 2 laps past perfect lol
Nice rims.

Kinda missing my point to stop the constant body argument. 21.5 TC shouldn't even be a thing. Not add another class, let The guys who want to run non scale bodies run in TC, keep USGT scale was the point.

While we are at it, TC should only be 2 classes, mod open and spec 17.5. Eliminate the rest of TC classes?

Man, I am with you on this.VTA identififies 25.5. "GT" bodies identify 21.5. Mini bodies Identify 21.5 FT. This leave "just" two classes for TC. And it's not hard to see the difference between 17.5 and Mod. :-)

Usgt has gotten to the point it's at and there is no going back.. I have accepted it. You can paint your body to look scale, use a scale body, use any legal Usgt body in one color or multi it doesn't matter. It's a spec class with a spec tire.. cruise your 21.5 around the track or don't? It's what you make of it.

It's been a couple months since I've raced mine, been enjoying the double time spent on my stock car :) At this point Id rather race a box stock TT Series with a scale body :sweat: