Johnnysocko...i know you run the Assoc. car, but you are so fast ,you dont count.........:ha: :ha: :ha: :ha:

Petenis- There is a 6pack conversion for the 12L3 I think it's about $60. The Hobby Shop there should be able to get it for you. There is also another way to do it which is to use the top plate from Associateds' 12L3 Oval Car and then put the CRC Damper tubes on. I think that setup would cost you about $30 but I'm not sure. Has Jay started running 12th scale yet or is he still running his TC3? Is he pumped after making the "A" at the NOVAK race in stock?
Please tell Mitch I said Hi along with the rest of the gang and that I really, really, really look forward to running with them at the NORRCA NATs.

Oh Petenis- I forgot to tell you that the best all around brush for longevity and power is the Integy ASQ or Reedy Quasar brush for mod's. They don't give quite the snap that the 4383's and Integy 6%'s do but they give more power than the 3%'s and 4380's and last longer than both types. So I would start with that brush and then as you need it go from there. Is Dave Kurshner still running? Tell him to break out a 1/12th scale and run with the big dogs up there. LOL

Darnold
thanks for the reply on the servoZ3550.just keep on posting all good info on setups for the 12th coz im savin it.
you dont know how much help it is for me thanks for that.

-if for practice what motor and gearing for the 12l3 do you recommend?

-what setup/s toe in etc. all for carpet usually technical in nature,I mean the layout of the track?

super38- If you run stock then that's a little foreign to me since I only run mod. My guess for a starting point based upon some of the nationally fast stock guys around here would be: MVP/Green Machine= 26/100; P2k/P2k2=27/100. This is using 1.85" rears on what I would classify as a small - medium track (small=50-65ft long by 30-45ft wide, medium= 65-85ft by 40-50ft).
For mod's (yeah) I would try these for starters: @ 1.90" rears (for every .05" down add one tooth to pinion or two on the spur and vise versa for adding .05")
12 Turns= 26/100
11 Turns= 25/100
10 Turns= 24/100
9 Turns= 23-24/100
8 Turns= 22/100 If you run hotter than this get Danny your batteries so that I can get them!

Super38- missed the setups part.
Thick T-bar (.075") with a thin washer under each ball. Diff Lube or Losi Light Hydra Fluid under the damper disks after every run or two. Check tweak before each run. Be prepared to change the T-bar out once every 4-8 race days or whenever the car starts to feel lazy or constantly tweaked.
Check the rear axle width and make sure that it is equal from the Center Line (MIDDLE) OF THE CAR to the outside of each rear wheel. Use the two screws thru the T-bar as reference points for this and make a mark at the rear of the bottom motor pod plate (this becomes a excellent place to check your tweak also). Often they distances aren't the same and this will cause the car to pull to a side.
You want the car around 3 - 3.5mm and equal or slightly higher in the rear from front to back. Use .020 front springs and don't be afraid if you have to dope(sauce) a lot of the front tires to get the steering you like/need. Use Trinity Red Stuff in the pivot balls of the front suspension to dampen and smooth out the front suspension action. Start out with -1.5deg of Camber and move to -2deg if the tires wear more on the inside than outside. Start out with 3- 3.5deg Caster, more will give better on power or high speed steering and less will help the car to turn into tight corners better (low speed steering). Caster is one of the top and probably most used tuning aids to get the handling balance the way you want it to be. Springs helps steering, steering feel and efficiency. The center shock is also a tuning point where stiffening it usually gives more steering to a point (and then it can wash out the steering) and softening it has the opposite effect. This tuning aid also affects how the car handles bumps.

Super38- Good googlely moogly as my late dad used to say. I forgot about the toe-in/out. This is more of a tuning aid that a lot of the fast guys use. They often will run 1 deg of toe-out to help the car turn in better. They want the car to initiate (respond) quickly and take the set into the turn on their desired line and a little toe-out can help this. However it is probably best to start with 1 deg toe-in for better stability and if needed work your way out. So much of road racing especially 12th scale is in the build and setup PLUS the driving. Hope this helps.-Dave

Johnny Sako- I remember that show from the 70's with the Giant Robot that had a Sphinx's head. BTW, I found out that Venture also races on Fiday nights as long as enough show up for 3 heats, if not then it's open practice (same thing happens with Sundays). Their big racing day/night is Saturday.
So, how is that 12th scale 12l3 doing or have you switched cars?

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Darnold,


I appologize for taking so darn long to get back to you. As for Greg Amendola, I believe he is withdrawing for awhile to try and start a family or something... good luck to him! And Jari... from what I have heard his grandfather had either fallen ill or passed away and he went back to Sweden( I think that's where he's from). It sounds like you know a lot of the hitters from around here, do you come up often, or did you used to live here? Kurshner is captain sedan now. He ran a TC3 last Saturday but I think he switches between that and his X-Ray, both are on rails!!! Hopefully my brother( Petenis ) and I will scrape enough cashito together to run in the NORRCA Nats. It is difficult to support two cars and try to build a real car at the same time!!! Anyhoo, hope we run into ya ( not on purpose, of course! ) at the Nats.


Have a good one,
Dave S.

Hey, you do remember who I am. Yup, the 12L is running good. It was fast enough to snag me free dinner the last time I went to Shreveport. I should be up there around the middle to end of March. I'm going to the Indy race too so maybe I'll see ya there. Do you run any taxi up there? Venture sounds great, I can't wait to get back to the midwest and run carpet, carpet, and more carpet!

Good to see someone who knows where my handle came from. 'Course it kind of dates you since you had to be old enough to remember it! I just spell it differently. I always got a kick out of the phone booth they would go into to get into headquarters.

Until later....

Heah Johnny 40 is looking square in the face now. The Lord willing and the creek doesn't rise I should see you at Indy. In fact I would like to go up there in the next 2 wks on a practice day/night to get a feel for it although it looks very similar to Venture with Venture being a little wider and the lanes a little narrower. My new 02 Trinity car is fabulous and I have picked up some major time thus far but the final proof is in the eating as they say and we will have to see what happens at Indy. I was thinking of going up to the Grand Rapids club to race this weekend but I'm not sure now because they may not have any 12th mod going and I don't run stock 12th. I do have an HPI Pro2 that James Arnold gave me that just needs some TLC and a servo and I will probably be running that once a month in the Summer (my big thing during spring/summer is GOLF). Last summer Jucha and I ran a couple of weeks worth of mod 12th scale outdoors and it brought back such fond memories, I look forward to more of us doing the same this summer. Purple/Pinks last a long time on asphalt. Have you been running any mod in your 12th scale and if so how's it set up?

OK pretty difficult question here. Which 1/12 to buy? i am racing on Ozite, currently looking at the new Trinity and the Bloody Knife and the Rev 3. Where do I get the new Trinity from also?????I cant seem to find it anywhere. Anywho lemme know which one to buy.
IKE

Dave S- Sorry to hear about Jari's Grandfather, I wonder if he plans on coming back here to live? Just talked to Greg yesterday and he says that there's a 40% chance that he will be back in Sept and that if he comes back it would be strictly local and not national in scope. Heah, I know a lot of guys because I have very close friends up there about 18min from the track. I come up about 2-3times a year plus I run at the Oktoberfast race. I also see John, Greg, Dave, and a few others typically at both Tracksides' fall bash and Novak race (although I don't race the Novak, I just go up to say hi). Jari and I along with some of the other guys typically get together and go to the warmup practice sessions in Grand Rapids for Cleveland. Those guys up there are all pretty good and I really like the conversations that Dave and I tend to have.

Foam D- What class are you looking to race and what have you been looking at so far and why? I used to race for CRC and they make a great car. The Knife seems to be the car for stock along with the Speed Merchant Rev. 3 and the 6pk for mod (along with the Assoc.12L3). If you run or may run both classes then I would say the T-Bar cars are probably the better between the two types (mono ball vs. T-bar). Personally I think the new 02 Trinity car is the best right now although I have heard some good things about the new Corrally. I got mine from Leisure Hours Hobbies in Joliet IL. for $189 before tax. Basically the new Trinity's stiffer rear pod section makes the car more stable and the stiffer chassis plate makes the car more consistent (especially under really high grip situations where the cars really experience the "G's"). I also like the extra ruggedness of the linkage front end (revolver front end) compared with other front ends. Finally, I think that the Trinity's revolver front end is the most adjustable on the market and as a result when conditions change beyound normal (such as really high bite, bumpy track, really low bite, lots of tight 180's, switchbacks, or sweepers) you can adjust it easier and more precisely to those conditions.