if you prefer links + tri-shocks , you can stick to your favourite cars

if you prefer t-bar + straight cells + tri-shock + battery brace + old school,

you can choose the latest SP12M and save money not to convert L3 + X Conversion. it's the original version of tapeless battery hold down and their own version of OLD sKOOL

speedxl-- A few years ago Tri had a front end that was almost inedtical to the AE dyn. strut. The went to a combo of their old skool (being the 2 tirod set-up) and the new lower arms. That is what they run now. The design of the AE is good its just that the plactic they use allows for a large varience between 2 of the same parts. I have 3 10 degree mounts that are a full .10" difference in length. This makes shimming to much work.

if you feel the dynamic front is no good, you can crash other type of front end to the concrete wall and see which one doesnt break.

I just switched my AE 12L3 back to the old style front end after about 6-7 race nights with the dynamic setup....yea I might give up some mid corner and on power bite but everything is always a trade off.

I remember when the dynamic strut front end first came out, I never got comfortable with how it made my car steer and I still feel the same...thats not to mention that something needs to be fix in the molds and I'm thinking maybe it's the screw hole alignment for the upper arm mounts. A 2 or more degree castor variation from side to side sucks and trying to remember what shims go where so it's on the money in the heat of the moment is just silly. I very much like the Trinity\Kyosho setup but I'm not buying into or building a new car just for the sake of a front end. I have a bunch of Kyosho parts that I could make a clone of the setup but screw that I doubt if having it would make or break a club race....

Here's a pic of the old Kyosho Impress 12 car....like I said I have a few complete sets of the front end plastic parts and the rear pivot balls & sockets as I was going to clone the car. The front end was trick at the time and one thing I really liked about that car was the rear pivot and how you could adjust the roll center and wheelbase. Wonder why Kyosho never continued to develop and produce the car :weird:

A pic of just the front end...

maybe the japanese had given up on the out dated design and sold off their 1980 old fashion technology to AE to produce the RC12

Yea maybe they did Dandy :lol:

and AE kept the discarded jap design undeveloped for 20 years till 2003!!

dandy the conversion isnt over priced the kit isnt just a batt brace its all the carbon fiber components the chassis plate the aluminum stands the brace the hard ware and the chassis cross brace the upper and lower pod pieces and its not just the reason for the brace but the carbon fiber is higher quality than that sold in other kits which use cheap graphite which makes you buy a chassis every 2 to 3 monts because their stressed out plus besides it being a thicker and stronger material the car has changes to the loctation of the battery slots that make the car handle better . i own one and have been very sucsseful with the car i can tell you this its worth every bit the 100 bucks i spent .
out of curiousity dandy spahet what do you run.

The Japs shoulda sold it back to Gil Losi...think it was his idea in the first place :lol:


Hey now there's an awesome picture....get Gil jr to design a new 12th scale...bet it would be made from stiffazel and be just a wicked ride :cool:

the problem I have with the Associated front end is the bent wire holding the upper arm on. (just got 2 sets of the HG pins) I have sat there with a racetech caster gauge and watched it change 2 to 4 degree as I rotated the bent pin around in the hole. the end of the pin is warped. see attached. the nice thing about them is if you set it right it's easy to ajust the camber so that your tires wear flat. yes I know if the car is set up right it should cone the tires but at the club level it's stupid to worry about cutting the tires each round.

Re: CRC T-Fource?
 

well does anybody have an answer on this one I'm dying to know.

Ha!
 

Nash, I know you know better, always tryin to start somethin':lol:

just trying to help out my fellow racers!:nod: