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davidl 03-26-2003 12:46 PM

The Ascari didn't meet with ROAR approval. Protoform must re-submit with changes. Time is short to make it to the Nats.

stormperson 03-26-2003 03:46 PM

david- So the bodies they just released arent ROAR legal? or the prototypes? I just picked up one today and it was different then the prototypes that i saw. The driver's head was more slammed, the whole bump for the rear shock was much smoother, and there were indents in the front end for a suspension. or at least these thins seemed different.

nikos2002 03-26-2003 08:54 PM

Tommi Makkinen, the car you have is the old "Magic" edition of the Trinity Revolver. The standard Switchblade front end should mount on the car with not a lot of extra work. Call Helger, they are the UK importer for Trinity and should have the parts or be able to order them from trinity for you. As for set up. I have the 2000 Spashett Ed. Switchblade and normally run with -2 degrees caster, no toe (in or out), camber adjusted to keep tire wear even. My car has dual dampener tubes - I use Trinity's white grease on the tubes. the heavier the lube you use, the more steering you will induce into the chassis. tires - purple fronts always, grey rears on carpet, pink rears on asphalt (tarmac).

Hope that helps.

davidl 03-27-2003 08:21 AM

Storm - does your body have a number molded into the windshield? If so, they may have gotten their approval. But I talked with the Technical Director a week before the carpet Nationals in MN and he had not approved them, disapproved their original submittal and asked for changes. That body was not approved for the carpet nats.

Tommi Makkinen 03-27-2003 09:27 AM


Originally posted by nikos2002
Tommi Makkinen, the car you have is the old "Magic" edition of the Trinity Revolver. The standard Switchblade front end should mount on the car with not a lot of extra work. Call Helger, they are the UK importer for Trinity and should have the parts or be able to order them from trinity for you. As for set up. I have the 2000 Spashett Ed. Switchblade and normally run with -2 degrees caster, no toe (in or out), camber adjusted to keep tire wear even. My car has dual dampener tubes - I use Trinity's white grease on the tubes. the heavier the lube you use, the more steering you will induce into the chassis. tires - purple fronts always, grey rears on carpet, pink rears on asphalt (tarmac).

Hope that helps.

Nikos2002:
thanks for the info, u da man!:D... just as i saw your post i remembered an old issue of RC Car action i have on file and just dug the copy out. according to the write-ups, the old car can be fitted with the Trinity reactive caster system... this system can also be fitted to the RC-12L3... my follow-up question is: can i fit the RC-12L3 front suspension to the Revolver? i'm asking this because where i live, its a bit hard to get the reactive system. the RC-12L3 system is more available... i just want to get my car up and running without much in the way of hassle... thanks in advance for any helpful info...:D

stormperson 03-27-2003 06:02 PM

david- it does have a number on it, so thats good i can paint up my bodies now for the asphault nats!:D (since i wont be running much 12th scale before now and then)

nikos2002 03-28-2003 09:48 PM

Tommi, the associated front end should fit on it, never tried it, but was always under the impression that they were of similar dimension. If you have a friend at the track with a 12L3 or similar just ask to try it out. It's only 4 screws. the trinity front end is much more adjustable, but the associated might be easier to get in some places.

safaridog 03-29-2003 02:33 AM

A few questions for the 1/12th scale veterans. How often do you change your t-bars? And what is your lap times in 1/12th mod (4 cell) compared to 1/10th touring mod?

Tommi Makkinen 03-29-2003 08:27 AM


Originally posted by nikos2002
Tommi, the associated front end should fit on it, never tried it, but was always under the impression that they were of similar dimension. If you have a friend at the track with a 12L3 or similar just ask to try it out. It's only 4 screws. the trinity front end is much more adjustable, but the associated might be easier to get in some places.
Thanks for the info. i borrowed my friend's RC12L3 front end and test fitted it. seems i have to drill a new pair of holes aft of the old holes... the L3 front end's fore end bolts on the chassis easy but there is no aft holes for the aft end of the front end. have to drill it... i'll just buy a L3 front end and adapt it to the revolver...

it'll just be funny when i register for a race. when i fill up the form under "car", instead of corally, assoc, trinity, it'll read "hybrid":D :D :D

LouisB 03-29-2003 08:45 AM

I managed to take a couple of vids of the last 12th scale meeting of the season at my club.

Here

and Here

70mph pan car 03-29-2003 10:00 AM

what are you runinning in thoses movies? 4cell or 6cell? mod or stock? and if mod what turn?

LouisB 03-29-2003 11:30 AM

6 cell stock, with about a 25-30mm rollout!

007yoshi 03-29-2003 11:41 AM

Bodies
 
In my shop I have the Protoform and Trinity Speed 8 9 whatever and the Yok MS-1. Which is the best in yalls opinion before I pick one?

stormperson 03-29-2003 04:34 PM

yoshi- the trinity speed 9 is almost the EXACT same mold as the parma speed 8, however its VERY heavy (more than the parma regular wieght) and it cracks easily, so i woudlnt recommend it. the protoform speed 8 was so great that all of protoform's drivers had to excersize their "competative clause" in their contracts that allowed them to use other brands of bodies since their sponser's stuff was keeping them from running their best (they all ran parma speed 8's). however the protoform ascari body just came out and was made ROAR legal (perfectly timed so they couldnt run the bodies at the nats, lol) but they did run them at the 'birds. its a great body and has more downforce than the parma and slightly more steering, and its very slammed (some drivers had problems fitting their electronics under it, lol).

Right now i would say the new protoform ascari is the body to get, however the parma speed 8 is very similar (i have both bodies and the only area's that really differ are the front of the ascari is slightly concave so it has more steering, and the rear wing area is slightly larger without being taller, and the ascari is open cockpit while the parma is closed). so it really comes down to personal opinion, however i am personally going to keep both in my stable and use it as a tuning device. but i would not recommend running any other body.

Loius- from the looks of that video i would assume that there isnt much traction (no groove), and getting the car to trasnition is key. thats why i would suggest a 4 cell car, i would even run 4 cells and a stock motor instead of 6 and a stock motor since the straight is very short and you dont need punch, however transitioning is key, and not to offend anyone in that video, but none of those cars seemed to transition well. Also that is defently a track where the speedmerchant would absolutly stomp the competition, espically the new V-force front end.

LouisB 03-30-2003 04:22 AM


Originally posted by stormperson
Loius- from the looks of that video i would assume that there isnt much traction (no groove), and getting the car to trasnition is key. thats why i would suggest a 4 cell car, i would even run 4 cells and a stock motor instead of 6 and a stock motor since the straight is very short and you dont need punch, however transitioning is key, and not to offend anyone in that video, but none of those cars seemed to transition well. Also that is defently a track where the speedmerchant would absolutly stomp the competition, espically the new V-force front end.
I asked at the track what people thought of 4 cell and they said it was very difficult to make 8 mins (don't know what motor) and it didn't have any advantage over 6 cell.

It's not normal carpet and traction compound is not allowed, so there isn't a groove but there is still quite good traction if tuned right (sometimes grip-roll)

I don't really want to have to buy more packs just for 1/12th and find out it's slower than 6 cell. Do you think a Roadkill with V-force front end would be OK for that track?
Could I just put 4 cells in the 6cell chassis to try out or would the balance be way off?

Thanks for the help :)


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