XRAY T3
#1801
Tech Elite
iTrader: (30)
make sure its not bottoming out and causing the inconsistency.. try raising the car 0.2-0.5mm and see if it changes. A couple weeks ago I ran on a track that was so bumpy the car got better as I raised the car and lightened the shock oil.. (started with 5.0mm/ 5.2mm and I think by the end i was at 5.3/5.5 and had 550/350 start, and ended with 500/300)
good luck, spring term starts today. so if you guys have questions pm for my email address since I probably won't be on much for the next 2 months between school and racing.
good luck, spring term starts today. so if you guys have questions pm for my email address since I probably won't be on much for the next 2 months between school and racing.
#1805
#1806
make sure its not bottoming out and causing the inconsistency.. try raising the car 0.2-0.5mm and see if it changes. A couple weeks ago I ran on a track that was so bumpy the car got better as I raised the car and lightened the shock oil.. (started with 5.0mm/ 5.2mm and I think by the end i was at 5.3/5.5 and had 550/350 start, and ended with 500/300)
good luck, spring term starts today. so if you guys have questions pm for my email address since I probably won't be on much for the next 2 months between school and racing.
good luck, spring term starts today. so if you guys have questions pm for my email address since I probably won't be on much for the next 2 months between school and racing.
#1807
Yes the stock pulley has to be opened up for the center section clearence. I also made it so I could shift the outer gear over to get better alignment with the idle pulleys, no belt rub. You have to use the 50mm shafts, you also have to shim the new diff as its just a bit narrower that a stock one, I have it biased to the left, again for belt alignment. When this is done with the 50mm shafts you may have a very slight bind, put its only with the shocks off and the left suspension all the way up, (top of tire close to top of shock tower), no where near where your suspension travel will ever get to. Some are trying to only run one idle gear per shaft, guess that could work, I haven't tried it myself. I think if your into a higher power class and do a lot of diff rebuilds this is a worthwhile mod. I ran it in stock and don't think it was a performance penalty.
#1808
Suspended
iTrader: (14)
I have created a model for the xray silicone oil. Cst, centistokes, is a measurement of kinematic viscosity - or the ratio between what we think of as viscosity and the fluid density. For the silicone oil we use in our shocks, fluid density is relatively constant (0.966 - 0.975).
There are two reasons why I even bothered. First, xray uses centistokes while the rest of RC uses what we call "weight". I really don't think "weight" is even the correct term, but it doesn't matter - its industry standard and we have some understanding of what the numbers mean in practice. Second, I wanted everyone to be more aware of what claims they are making regarding setup. I won't go so far as to call anyone crazy, but according to the model, the difference between 500 Cst and 550 Cst is 1 "weight". 1. one. single. uno. loneliest number.
Anyway, here are the numbers. Stuff in bold is given by xray in their setup books. If anyone disagrees, I'm not offended - so feel free. Also, I don't really feel like going through the arithmatic, but i plotted 1/Cst versus ln(WT). Then created the model function (R=0.999), and back calculated all values. Model predicted values are indicated in non-bold.
Cst WT
100 20
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10000 80
There are two reasons why I even bothered. First, xray uses centistokes while the rest of RC uses what we call "weight". I really don't think "weight" is even the correct term, but it doesn't matter - its industry standard and we have some understanding of what the numbers mean in practice. Second, I wanted everyone to be more aware of what claims they are making regarding setup. I won't go so far as to call anyone crazy, but according to the model, the difference between 500 Cst and 550 Cst is 1 "weight". 1. one. single. uno. loneliest number.
Anyway, here are the numbers. Stuff in bold is given by xray in their setup books. If anyone disagrees, I'm not offended - so feel free. Also, I don't really feel like going through the arithmatic, but i plotted 1/Cst versus ln(WT). Then created the model function (R=0.999), and back calculated all values. Model predicted values are indicated in non-bold.
Cst WT
100 20
150 23
200 25
250 27
300 28
350 30
400 31
450 32
500 33
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600 35
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800 38
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10000 80
#1809
I have created a model for the xray silicone oil. Cst, centistokes, is a measurement of kinematic viscosity - or the ratio between what we think of as viscosity and the fluid density. For the silicone oil we use in our shocks, fluid density is relatively constant (0.966 - 0.975).
There are two reasons why I even bothered. First, xray uses centistokes while the rest of RC uses what we call "weight". I really don't think "weight" is even the correct term, but it doesn't matter - its industry standard and we have some understanding of what the numbers mean in practice. Second, I wanted everyone to be more aware of what claims they are making regarding setup. I won't go so far as to call anyone crazy, but according to the model, the difference between 500 Cst and 550 Cst is 1 "weight". 1. one. single. uno. loneliest number.
Anyway, here are the numbers. Stuff in bold is given by xray in their setup books. If anyone disagrees, I'm not offended - so feel free. Also, I don't really feel like going through the arithmatic, but i plotted 1/Cst versus ln(WT). Then created the model function (R=0.999), and back calculated all values. Model predicted values are indicated in non-bold.
Cst WT
100 20
150 23
200 25
250 27
300 28
350 30
400 31
450 32
500 33
550 34
600 35
700 36
800 38
900 39
1000 40
2000 50
10000 80
There are two reasons why I even bothered. First, xray uses centistokes while the rest of RC uses what we call "weight". I really don't think "weight" is even the correct term, but it doesn't matter - its industry standard and we have some understanding of what the numbers mean in practice. Second, I wanted everyone to be more aware of what claims they are making regarding setup. I won't go so far as to call anyone crazy, but according to the model, the difference between 500 Cst and 550 Cst is 1 "weight". 1. one. single. uno. loneliest number.
Anyway, here are the numbers. Stuff in bold is given by xray in their setup books. If anyone disagrees, I'm not offended - so feel free. Also, I don't really feel like going through the arithmatic, but i plotted 1/Cst versus ln(WT). Then created the model function (R=0.999), and back calculated all values. Model predicted values are indicated in non-bold.
Cst WT
100 20
150 23
200 25
250 27
300 28
350 30
400 31
450 32
500 33
550 34
600 35
700 36
800 38
900 39
1000 40
2000 50
10000 80
The numbers you have as 'weight' are too low as the cst gets higher.
The problem is weight is a BS term that has no standard where cSt is.
Weight actually ramps up as the numbers get higher compared with cSt.
300 should be around 25wt where 600 is around 40-45wt
#1810
Yes the stock pulley has to be opened up for the center section clearence. I also made it so I could shift the outer gear over to get better alignment with the idle pulleys, no belt rub. You have to use the 50mm shafts, you also have to shim the new diff as its just a bit narrower that a stock one, I have it biased to the left, again for belt alignment. When this is done with the 50mm shafts you may have a very slight bind, put its only with the shocks off and the left suspension all the way up, (top of tire close to top of shock tower), no where near where your suspension travel will ever get to. Some are trying to only run one idle gear per shaft, guess that could work, I haven't tried it myself. I think if your into a higher power class and do a lot of diff rebuilds this is a worthwhile mod. I ran it in stock and don't think it was a performance penalty.
@ Jim, I will be sending yours out shortly, I met with Gary and talked about a parts list for a complete conversion. 50MM bones, 3.0 blades, 2.5mm screws and I am a shim kit.
Let me know if you have the 50mm bones and I will send the rest out...
After seeing Gary's in action I am looking forward to trying it... Also made me think about the posibility's of what you and I talked abount with the front slipper we can chat later.
#1811
Tech Apprentice
Hello
Can anyone suggest a setup for low-med grip technical track full of U-turns?
Thanks.
Can anyone suggest a setup for low-med grip technical track full of U-turns?
Thanks.
#1812
#1813
Tech Master
iTrader: (10)
one of the ways i found to tell what you need to do with your droop settings is if your chassis has marks or rubber on the edges of your chassis then its rolling through the corners about right if its rolling to much your car will almost stop in the corners. If you dont have enough your car will not have anything on the bottom of the chassis. this is just a way to play with my droop settings or if my car is loose or if it pushes than i also change it.
#1814
Tech Apprentice
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