57LikesThe Speed Passion Thread
01-18-2012, 01:37 AM
#8763
Tech Adept
Hi can anyone help me with some esc settings. i have a TOP photon running a 69t spur/29 pinion (48p) on a wide open track i'm using the SP gt2.0 pro (323 software) and a Fantom racing trinity 13.5t with 10deg on the endbell, my question is about timing, the settings i'm finding all seem to have a hiigh degree of boost timing. we using a 39-40 roll out as it's a new track and we still trying to get the roll out's perfect.
i'm using 20deg boost timing, 18 deg turbo slope, 4000 start rpm, 16deg turbo timing and 450rpm per deg.
what timing can i use that would be safe for motor not to get damaged bearing in mind that we having a heat wave in Cape Town at the moment. i have seen team setup's of 48deg which baffles me. can these motors run it safely without damage?
i'm using 20deg boost timing, 18 deg turbo slope, 4000 start rpm, 16deg turbo timing and 450rpm per deg.
what timing can i use that would be safe for motor not to get damaged bearing in mind that we having a heat wave in Cape Town at the moment. i have seen team setup's of 48deg which baffles me. can these motors run it safely without damage?
01-18-2012, 02:36 AM
#8765
Issue with heat fading
Hi all,
I am running a MMM 13.5 motor with a Tekin RS pro on 1/10 TC boosted
I am having a lot of issue with fading after 3-4 minutes on the track on a hot day. My ESC setting isn't aggressive (under 45 degrees boost + turbo) and with middle point for ballend advance. The temperature is about 70-75 degrees on the motor when it happens.
I have tried changing the rotor/sensor/sensor cable/different battery and this continues to happen. I also tried low boost setting with 5.5-6 FDR and mid boost setting with 6.5 to 8 FDR - nothing seems to work to keep the temp down.
The only setting so far which I have get away with 6 minutes on the track on a 28+ degree day (or tract temp >50 degrees) is zero boost + FDR 5.5.
I am already not keeping up on the straights with my current setting and I am not sure what more can I do apart from changing motor (many people on my track seems to have issues with SP motors)
Any advice?
I am running a MMM 13.5 motor with a Tekin RS pro on 1/10 TC boosted
I am having a lot of issue with fading after 3-4 minutes on the track on a hot day. My ESC setting isn't aggressive (under 45 degrees boost + turbo) and with middle point for ballend advance. The temperature is about 70-75 degrees on the motor when it happens.
I have tried changing the rotor/sensor/sensor cable/different battery and this continues to happen. I also tried low boost setting with 5.5-6 FDR and mid boost setting with 6.5 to 8 FDR - nothing seems to work to keep the temp down.
The only setting so far which I have get away with 6 minutes on the track on a 28+ degree day (or tract temp >50 degrees) is zero boost + FDR 5.5.
I am already not keeping up on the straights with my current setting and I am not sure what more can I do apart from changing motor (many people on my track seems to have issues with SP motors)
Any advice?
01-18-2012, 03:33 AM
#8766
its a good chance it has a bit to do with the ECS settings i was having problems also with the 323 software with SP, i dont know much about the Tekin but i have been playing around with the speedy settings and now the car is fast and temps have come down also with the 323 software i run.
Since i have got the settings close i have now reduced my FDR from 6.5 to 5.5 and the MMM pulls hard with heaps of speed and the timing is set to 12 degrees
how big is your track? and i would defiantly start with Esc settings i can now run for 6m30 and my temps are at 78 degrees
Since i have got the settings close i have now reduced my FDR from 6.5 to 5.5 and the MMM pulls hard with heaps of speed and the timing is set to 12 degrees
how big is your track? and i would defiantly start with Esc settings i can now run for 6m30 and my temps are at 78 degrees
01-18-2012, 08:49 AM
#8767
Hi all,
I am running a MMM 13.5 motor with a Tekin RS pro on 1/10 TC boosted
I am having a lot of issue with fading after 3-4 minutes on the track on a hot day. My ESC setting isn't aggressive (under 45 degrees boost + turbo) and with middle point for ballend advance. The temperature is about 70-75 degrees on the motor when it happens.
I have tried changing the rotor/sensor/sensor cable/different battery and this continues to happen. I also tried low boost setting with 5.5-6 FDR and mid boost setting with 6.5 to 8 FDR - nothing seems to work to keep the temp down.
The only setting so far which I have get away with 6 minutes on the track on a 28+ degree day (or tract temp >50 degrees) is zero boost + FDR 5.5.
I am already not keeping up on the straights with my current setting and I am not sure what more can I do apart from changing motor (many people on my track seems to have issues with SP motors)
Any advice?
I am running a MMM 13.5 motor with a Tekin RS pro on 1/10 TC boosted
I am having a lot of issue with fading after 3-4 minutes on the track on a hot day. My ESC setting isn't aggressive (under 45 degrees boost + turbo) and with middle point for ballend advance. The temperature is about 70-75 degrees on the motor when it happens.
I have tried changing the rotor/sensor/sensor cable/different battery and this continues to happen. I also tried low boost setting with 5.5-6 FDR and mid boost setting with 6.5 to 8 FDR - nothing seems to work to keep the temp down.
The only setting so far which I have get away with 6 minutes on the track on a 28+ degree day (or tract temp >50 degrees) is zero boost + FDR 5.5.
I am already not keeping up on the straights with my current setting and I am not sure what more can I do apart from changing motor (many people on my track seems to have issues with SP motors)
Any advice?
01-18-2012, 08:58 AM
#8769
Hi all - I just bought a bunch of mmms and green sensor boards. I integrated them this past weekend and found that one of the green boards is a dud. The motor runs but has less rpms than a black board (I have the Turbo dyno numbers to prove it). How can I get it replaced? Thanks!
01-18-2012, 09:01 AM
#8770
I have tried both, there doesnt appear to be any difference between the 2 in my opinion, more likely to be a motor variation.
I am now sticking to SP software and motors, and I am starting to get somewhere I think
these are my settings;
GT 2.0 Pro 323 stock software
FDR 7.65 Track= 210 mtrs with a 50 mtr long back straight
DRRS 6
Brake Force 87%
Reverse 100%
Boost Timing 48
Turbo Slope 18
TurboTiming 12
Start RPM 5000
Turbo Delay 0.2
ACC 450
Track temp was 55-60 Degs C Motor came off after 6 mins running at 76Degs C
Tried 2 different MMM motors and a V3 and all motors came off around the same temps but all had varing top end speed and rip out of corners
Car was slightly down on top end compared to another car with Hobbywing esc and 13.5 motor
any thoughts for improvement?
I am now sticking to SP software and motors, and I am starting to get somewhere I think
these are my settings;
GT 2.0 Pro 323 stock software
FDR 7.65 Track= 210 mtrs with a 50 mtr long back straight
DRRS 6
Brake Force 87%
Reverse 100%
Boost Timing 48
Turbo Slope 18
TurboTiming 12
Start RPM 5000
Turbo Delay 0.2
ACC 450
Track temp was 55-60 Degs C Motor came off after 6 mins running at 76Degs C
Tried 2 different MMM motors and a V3 and all motors came off around the same temps but all had varing top end speed and rip out of corners
Car was slightly down on top end compared to another car with Hobbywing esc and 13.5 motor
any thoughts for improvement?
01-18-2012, 11:42 AM
#8771
Ok kinda sick of this so thought id see if anyone else has had the same issue.
I bought a 21.5 stock club combo from my LHS. Ran it in my F109 for 2 days 1 race, one day or practice and magically it just crapped out. Motor speed control everything. We couldnt figure out why, everything was wired up fine. We replaced both with new ones and now that combo has gone to crap.
Motor doesnt run, doesnt even feel right when you spin it. Esc lights up, leds flash and function like its working but it will not turn a motor. Thought maybe it was the capacitors cuz they had a black like susbstance on them as if they burnt up. Removed those and still nothing. This set is only 2 months old so its outa warrenty.
Im just kinda pissed about this and wondering if anybody else has had this issue.
Any feedback or help would b great cuz im a budget racer I cant afford to be buying new esc and motors all the time.
I bought a 21.5 stock club combo from my LHS. Ran it in my F109 for 2 days 1 race, one day or practice and magically it just crapped out. Motor speed control everything. We couldnt figure out why, everything was wired up fine. We replaced both with new ones and now that combo has gone to crap.
Motor doesnt run, doesnt even feel right when you spin it. Esc lights up, leds flash and function like its working but it will not turn a motor. Thought maybe it was the capacitors cuz they had a black like susbstance on them as if they burnt up. Removed those and still nothing. This set is only 2 months old so its outa warrenty.
Im just kinda pissed about this and wondering if anybody else has had this issue.
Any feedback or help would b great cuz im a budget racer I cant afford to be buying new esc and motors all the time.
01-18-2012, 12:02 PM
#8772
Ok kinda sick of this so thought id see if anyone else has had the same issue.
I bought a 21.5 stock club combo from my LHS. Ran it in my F109 for 2 days 1 race, one day or practice and magically it just crapped out. Motor speed control everything. We couldnt figure out why, everything was wired up fine. We replaced both with new ones and now that combo has gone to crap.
Motor doesnt run, doesnt even feel right when you spin it. Esc lights up, leds flash and function like its working but it will not turn a motor. Thought maybe it was the capacitors cuz they had a black like susbstance on them as if they burnt up. Removed those and still nothing. This set is only 2 months old so its outa warrenty.
Im just kinda pissed about this and wondering if anybody else has had this issue.
Any feedback or help would b great cuz im a budget racer I cant afford to be buying new esc and motors all the time.
I bought a 21.5 stock club combo from my LHS. Ran it in my F109 for 2 days 1 race, one day or practice and magically it just crapped out. Motor speed control everything. We couldnt figure out why, everything was wired up fine. We replaced both with new ones and now that combo has gone to crap.
Motor doesnt run, doesnt even feel right when you spin it. Esc lights up, leds flash and function like its working but it will not turn a motor. Thought maybe it was the capacitors cuz they had a black like susbstance on them as if they burnt up. Removed those and still nothing. This set is only 2 months old so its outa warrenty.
Im just kinda pissed about this and wondering if anybody else has had this issue.
Any feedback or help would b great cuz im a budget racer I cant afford to be buying new esc and motors all the time.
01-18-2012, 01:07 PM
#8773
Ok kinda sick of this so thought id see if anyone else has had the same issue.
I bought a 21.5 stock club combo from my LHS. Ran it in my F109 for 2 days 1 race, one day or practice and magically it just crapped out. Motor speed control everything. We couldnt figure out why, everything was wired up fine. We replaced both with new ones and now that combo has gone to crap.
Motor doesnt run, doesnt even feel right when you spin it. Esc lights up, leds flash and function like its working but it will not turn a motor. Thought maybe it was the capacitors cuz they had a black like susbstance on them as if they burnt up. Removed those and still nothing. This set is only 2 months old so its outa warrenty.
Im just kinda pissed about this and wondering if anybody else has had this issue.
Any feedback or help would b great cuz im a budget racer I cant afford to be buying new esc and motors all the time.
I bought a 21.5 stock club combo from my LHS. Ran it in my F109 for 2 days 1 race, one day or practice and magically it just crapped out. Motor speed control everything. We couldnt figure out why, everything was wired up fine. We replaced both with new ones and now that combo has gone to crap.
Motor doesnt run, doesnt even feel right when you spin it. Esc lights up, leds flash and function like its working but it will not turn a motor. Thought maybe it was the capacitors cuz they had a black like susbstance on them as if they burnt up. Removed those and still nothing. This set is only 2 months old so its outa warrenty.
Im just kinda pissed about this and wondering if anybody else has had this issue.
Any feedback or help would b great cuz im a budget racer I cant afford to be buying new esc and motors all the time.
01-18-2012, 06:06 PM
#8774
Yes, 323_Stock is the latest software and it is a large improvement over the stock software for boosted racing. It is available for free download from Speed Passion's web site. You will need the LCD Programmer + USB cable, and a computer, to update the software.
Please post your full settings for the Tekin, plus your motor timing and FDR. We can then make some targeted suggestions.
Please post your full settings for the Tekin, plus your motor timing and FDR. We can then make some targeted suggestions.
TRF417
Tekin RS pro
SP MMM 13.5 - std rotor - 1 high power 30mm fan
Here are the following settings I tried
Endmotor timing 11 degrees (minimum on standard sensor)
Boost: 45
Start RPM: 5000
End RPM: 17000
Turbo delay: 0.15 sec
Turbo: 15
Turbo ramp: 2 (4 degrees/ 0.1 sec)
Current limiter: off
FDR: 7.0 - 8.2
The car faded on a 30 degree day after 3-4 minutes - the car lost punch and wouldn't accelerate on the straight. If I stopped the car and cooled it down, it would recover but would have the same issue after a little while.
The motor reads about 70-75 degrees with a temp gun once that happens. I have never got the motor pass 80 degrees (since it would have faded way before that)
I also tried
Endmotor timing 15 degrees (middle on standard sensor)
Boost: 35
Start RPM: 7000
End RPM: 18000
Turbo delay: 0.15 sec
Turbo: 15
Turbo ramp: 2 (4 degrees/ 0.1 sec)
Current limiter: off
FDR: 6 - 6.5
Same issue on a hotter day.
With both settings I am not keeping up with the other cars in the same class (by a significant margin - at least lost 0.5 sec just on the longest straight alone). When I asked the local racers in the same class (running Team Powers/LRP/Tekin), I didn't get much more of a reply than "Don't run Speedpassion".
Any ideas?
