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Old 01-23-2009, 01:26 PM   #2176
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the speed passion motors with not adjustment have 12 degrees built in, the duos with the timing holes as 12 degrees on number 0 and 10 more each form there
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the speed passion motors with not adjustment have 12 degrees built in, the duos with the timing holes as 12 degrees on number 0 and 10 more each form there
Exactly what I was saying. Thanks for giving numbers.

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10,5 speedpassion with 0 timing.
so all the extra timing will help on long tracks.
30 degrees on the tekin, 15 built in advance, and 12 on the motor brings you to 57 degrees. Anything past 55 or so starts to lose effectiveness and is just gonna nuke the motor.
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Krio is on the right track. We've yet to see an application where running timing in the 50's at all.

Most applications find that around 35-45 is tops. Anymore than that simply creates heat.
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Old 01-23-2009, 02:43 PM   #2179
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has the speedpassion 10,5 spec motor a build in timing?
i can't change the timing on the motor so i thougt it was 0

how much timing has a lrp 10,5 ss motor? the one with the bleu ring.
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Old 01-23-2009, 03:05 PM   #2180
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The lrp's are adjustable. the timing isnt in degress its in mm. i would have to convert it, or if some already has please post.

if some one could give me the motor diameter i can convert it.
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Old 01-23-2009, 03:07 PM   #2181
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the oudside diameter of the motor hous?

the diameter of the oudside of the motor diameter is 36mm
and the ring that you can turn arround is 32mm
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Old 01-23-2009, 03:25 PM   #2182
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each millimeter on the can should be aprox .31 degrees

36mm x pi (i used 3.14) /360

(36mm x 3.14) /360 = .314 degrees
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Old 01-23-2009, 04:07 PM   #2183
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the math is right, the units are backwards. it would be 1 deg = .314 mm.
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Old 01-23-2009, 04:14 PM   #2184
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the 4,5t lrp stands standart on 2 so 2degrees timing is also for the lrp
max 8 for the 4,5T

so 47 degrees standart and i can time it max till 55 for maximum speed?
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Old 01-23-2009, 04:32 PM   #2185
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the math is right, the units are backwards. it would be 1 deg = .314 mm.
THANKS! i thought it looked odd.


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the 4,5t lrp stands standart on 2 so 2degrees timing is also for the lrp
max 8 for the 4,5T

so 47 degrees standart and i can time it max till 55 for maximum speed?

i would not run more than like 5-10 degrees for a 4.5. that would not work well with that kind of. in my opinion i would run a total (esc and mechanical) of 4 degrees and gear from there
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ok and how much for a 10,5 lrp or speedpassion?
around 50 in total ok?
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Hey guy,

Just remeber that the timing boost is really only for 10.5s and slower motors. If you're running say a 6.5 or other type mod motors you shouldn't be running any boost or excessive timing.

In general I run anything faster than an 8.5 in dual mode. The lower the wind the less timing is needed and desired.
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Old 01-23-2009, 05:50 PM   #2188
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10.5 some where between 15-30 (total) degrees depending on heat. start at 15 degrees, gear it and then adjust the triming more if you need just that little extra bit of speed.

this will produce the best results
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Randy,

I need you to clear something up regarding timing. A while back you posted that when figuring out the total degrees of timing, you add the motor timing, the boost timing, and the 15 degrees that running in sensored only mode adds. Then Tekin Prez comes on here and says that because all motors are different, that there is no such thing as an automatic 15 degrees added by the sensored mode of the speedo. That you should only add the boost timing and the motor timing to get a total number. I'm confused. I'm running a 189 version RS with a 17.5 Pulse in 1/12 scale and I need to know which is the proper method of figuring out total timing.
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Because each manufactures motor sensors report the info differently you can't just add 15 as the "hidden". I think 15 was a good number to use for us to be safe. So you'll probably never know "exact" timing when using boost. (it's closer to 5 to 10 degrees though)

BUT, the correct timing and boost is the one that runs the best and that is what's most important.

I always start with 0 motor 0 boost and start with gearing for infield then mess with boost for the strait. I found this to give me results the fastest.
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