What things are you looking forward to most in 2008...
12-19-2007, 04:05 PM
#31
Duckman,
I have/had no real idea what kind of racing you were talking about...I try to watch results from many kinds of racing, and it appears in many, many areas guys are still racing 4 minutes.
We race 5 (or longer at times) but since you mentioned 1/12th scale in your post, I had a feeling it was On-Road.
(Oh, I also don't COUNT the 'in between the race minutes' when I figure out how long a program is going to be....I only count the actual RACE time...on a small race turnout day - my goal is to run each round of qualifying in an HOUR, shuffle the numbers of racers in a heat, and the time between heats to try to get that time frame.... since most guys like roughly 45-50 minutes to charge a battery, an hour a round works out really well.)
I guess my only point to you about TIME is - if you add it someplace...you need to take it away someplace else...and sometimes that just adds STRESS to a race day...and makes it LESS FUN.
..for our LOCAL program, if the guys do a really good job getting all 3 qualifiers done quickly...we'll add a 4th round, but if they drag it ON too long....I cut them to only 2 rounds + mains. It's really upto the racers at that point as to how much racing they get.
For our travelling series - regardless of how long it drags on - we do 3 rounds + mains. (All 5 minute* except 'special events')
I have/had no real idea what kind of racing you were talking about...I try to watch results from many kinds of racing, and it appears in many, many areas guys are still racing 4 minutes.
We race 5 (or longer at times) but since you mentioned 1/12th scale in your post, I had a feeling it was On-Road.
(Oh, I also don't COUNT the 'in between the race minutes' when I figure out how long a program is going to be....I only count the actual RACE time...on a small race turnout day - my goal is to run each round of qualifying in an HOUR, shuffle the numbers of racers in a heat, and the time between heats to try to get that time frame.... since most guys like roughly 45-50 minutes to charge a battery, an hour a round works out really well.)
I guess my only point to you about TIME is - if you add it someplace...you need to take it away someplace else...and sometimes that just adds STRESS to a race day...and makes it LESS FUN.
..for our LOCAL program, if the guys do a really good job getting all 3 qualifiers done quickly...we'll add a 4th round, but if they drag it ON too long....I cut them to only 2 rounds + mains. It's really upto the racers at that point as to how much racing they get.
For our travelling series - regardless of how long it drags on - we do 3 rounds + mains. (All 5 minute* except 'special events')
12-19-2007, 04:28 PM
#34
([email protected] - but I think thats changing.. I'll be sure he sees this thread.)Hope that helps but I don't think it does.
12-19-2007, 04:32 PM
#35
racing is only as expensive as YOU let it be
I have to say todays racing (before inflation adjustments) is SO much cheaper even in real dollar amounts than it was 15-18, or even 20 years ago.
NEW products, there are many, many that are less than 50% of the price they cost WAY back in the late 80's and early 90's.
Just one quick example
The bearings I use in my pan car - in 1991 you were LUCKY to find them for under $4.50 PER BEARING, I can get them today from many sources for .99c or $1.00. You can get HIGHER quality Ceramic Bearings almost as cheap as the old CHEAP bearings were.
Another place you can really save a lot of money now-a-days is with 2nd hand equipment. The INTERNET opened the door for so much used equipment to be bought and traded.
Things like SPEED CONTROLS, BATTERIES, and even TIRES for the most part really haven't gone up, or if they have they haven't gone up much. (1992 I was paying $75.00 - $80.00 for 6 cell Ni-Cad battery packs. Last season I paid $35.00 for 4 cell packs with MORE than double the run time those old Ni-Cads had)
CAR KITS are expensive - in some cases WAY expensive...and they change too much - too often...THAT I do think drives people away. (Just MY opinion anyway)
I have to say todays racing (before inflation adjustments) is SO much cheaper even in real dollar amounts than it was 15-18, or even 20 years ago.
NEW products, there are many, many that are less than 50% of the price they cost WAY back in the late 80's and early 90's.
Just one quick example
The bearings I use in my pan car - in 1991 you were LUCKY to find them for under $4.50 PER BEARING, I can get them today from many sources for .99c or $1.00. You can get HIGHER quality Ceramic Bearings almost as cheap as the old CHEAP bearings were.
Another place you can really save a lot of money now-a-days is with 2nd hand equipment. The INTERNET opened the door for so much used equipment to be bought and traded.
Things like SPEED CONTROLS, BATTERIES, and even TIRES for the most part really haven't gone up, or if they have they haven't gone up much. (1992 I was paying $75.00 - $80.00 for 6 cell Ni-Cad battery packs. Last season I paid $35.00 for 4 cell packs with MORE than double the run time those old Ni-Cads had)
CAR KITS are expensive - in some cases WAY expensive...and they change too much - too often...THAT I do think drives people away. (Just MY opinion anyway)
12-19-2007, 05:01 PM
#36
Same weight requirements... that won't change. Please, contact Tim Potter, committee chairperson to propose a different weight specification if thats what your interested in.... ([email protected] - but I think thats changing.. I'll be sure he sees this thread.)
Hope that helps but I don't think it does.
([email protected] - but I think thats changing.. I'll be sure he sees this thread.)Hope that helps but I don't think it does.
12-19-2007, 06:11 PM
#37
12-19-2007, 06:25 PM
#38
Not at all!
Most of us really LIKE YOU Dawn!
Most of us really LIKE YOU Dawn!
12-19-2007, 07:43 PM
#39
I would like to see more people enter the hobby, but it is a hard sale. Not everyone wants to drop $1000 on toys. Even if you are buying rtr's, by the time you are up and running it is between $400-$500. So I guess this goes with what someone else said; an affordable entry level class.
12-19-2007, 10:21 PM
#40
SWTour.... based on everything that you have written in this thread, the hobby is great and nothing should change????
WHY IS THE EP ONROAD PART OF THIS HOBBY IN A DECLINE THEN!!!!!!
I am sorry, but I race at a pretty competitive level here in 2007 (not 1985) and all the events that I have gone to (including national events) are 5 minute qualifiers and mains for 1/10 TC and 8 min qualifiers and mains for 1/12 on-road. (Sorry - not too familuar with Oval).
SWTour, Get out of the 90's and smell the coffee. THE HOBBY HAS TO MAKE CHANGES OR IT WILL DIE! With the adaptation of new technology, there is no reason why our races cannot be longer. Look at how popular 1/8 off-road is now... why???? Because the mains are anywhere from 45 min to an hour. TALK ABOUT VALUE FOR THE RACER!
At the club that I help run in the summer, we went to longer mains and EVERYONE loved it. It was a HUGE hit - such that we are going to go even longer run-times the next season in some classes - such as the 20 min 1/10 Stadium Truck class mains that have been a huge hit elsewhere.
There is NO reason other then "old salts" that want to keep everything status quo and watch this hobby die a painful death that we shouldn't have longer qualifiers and/or mains. We have the technology for it... let's use it. There has already been a demonstration of 20 min mains in 1/10 Stadium Truck at many races - with huge success. Thanks to new battery tech, why don't we on-road racers take the same lead.
And before someone gets on the their high-horse about what they have seen... my first car was a Tamiya Fox, which I raced... I raced a Kyosho Optima, later a Mid when I got into this hobby - and I was around when off-road died and was replaced (short-lived) by Oval. I am not some newbie that just bought my first car 2 years ago.
I am a hobbiest that is looking for things to help grow this hobby so that my children and their children will be able to get the same out of this great hobby that I have for the many-many years I have been doing it.
My REQUEST is to LENGTHEN THE TIME THAT WE RACE!
WHY IS THE EP ONROAD PART OF THIS HOBBY IN A DECLINE THEN!!!!!!
I am sorry, but I race at a pretty competitive level here in 2007 (not 1985) and all the events that I have gone to (including national events) are 5 minute qualifiers and mains for 1/10 TC and 8 min qualifiers and mains for 1/12 on-road. (Sorry - not too familuar with Oval).
SWTour, Get out of the 90's and smell the coffee. THE HOBBY HAS TO MAKE CHANGES OR IT WILL DIE! With the adaptation of new technology, there is no reason why our races cannot be longer. Look at how popular 1/8 off-road is now... why???? Because the mains are anywhere from 45 min to an hour. TALK ABOUT VALUE FOR THE RACER!
At the club that I help run in the summer, we went to longer mains and EVERYONE loved it. It was a HUGE hit - such that we are going to go even longer run-times the next season in some classes - such as the 20 min 1/10 Stadium Truck class mains that have been a huge hit elsewhere.
There is NO reason other then "old salts" that want to keep everything status quo and watch this hobby die a painful death that we shouldn't have longer qualifiers and/or mains. We have the technology for it... let's use it. There has already been a demonstration of 20 min mains in 1/10 Stadium Truck at many races - with huge success. Thanks to new battery tech, why don't we on-road racers take the same lead.
And before someone gets on the their high-horse about what they have seen... my first car was a Tamiya Fox, which I raced... I raced a Kyosho Optima, later a Mid when I got into this hobby - and I was around when off-road died and was replaced (short-lived) by Oval. I am not some newbie that just bought my first car 2 years ago.
I am a hobbiest that is looking for things to help grow this hobby so that my children and their children will be able to get the same out of this great hobby that I have for the many-many years I have been doing it.
My REQUEST is to LENGTHEN THE TIME THAT WE RACE!
Last edited by duckman996; 12-19-2007 at 10:41 PM.
12-20-2007, 12:41 AM
#41
The continuation of brushed motors!!!
Someone has said it before on here, 'you can have my comm lathe, when you pry it from my freakin' cold dead fingers!!'
^^
Someone has said it before on here, 'you can have my comm lathe, when you pry it from my freakin' cold dead fingers!!'
^^
12-20-2007, 06:23 AM
#44
Hey, to be honest with ya, I'm not a big fan of BL completely because of the brushed motor industry and the tradition of well, thats what ya do... cut comms.... its part of racing and part of your set up. I guess I'm old school too....
I do not believe its ROAR's place to end one type of racing and start another UNLESS that is what the membership wants... It appears that is happening.. therefore its my job to ensure the membership is heard.. with a "ROAR".. LOL
12-20-2007, 06:44 AM
#45
Candor = never ending opinions LOL
Hey, to be honest with ya, I'm not a big fan of BL completely because of the brushed motor industry and the tradition of well, thats what ya do... cut comms.... its part of racing and part of your set up. I guess I'm old school too....
I do not believe its ROAR's place to end one type of racing and start another UNLESS that is what the membership wants... It appears that is happening.. therefore its my job to ensure the membership is heard.. with a "ROAR".. LOL
Hey, to be honest with ya, I'm not a big fan of BL completely because of the brushed motor industry and the tradition of well, thats what ya do... cut comms.... its part of racing and part of your set up. I guess I'm old school too....
I do not believe its ROAR's place to end one type of racing and start another UNLESS that is what the membership wants... It appears that is happening.. therefore its my job to ensure the membership is heard.. with a "ROAR".. LOL
As for lipo. I say run them together (nimh and lipo). As long as the weight requirement stays the same I see lipo as just an improved battery (IB improves the nimh batteries all the time). The costs are about the same and we are always buying new batteries anyway (moving to what performs best). If people believe lipo performs best for them then let it be allowed. At the point that lipo is used by most peopel then maybe lower the weight of the cars to increase durability. Obviously the 12th scale issue needs to be addressed as well.
Last edited by or8ital; 12-20-2007 at 07:05 AM.