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Old 08-17-2009, 08:24 AM
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1XA/1F is standard in the rear on the WE kit. It will give you 3.5 degrees of rear toe (per side). Generally, I find rear toe gives you more forward traction, and increases the stability of the rear in general, but often at the expense of corner speed.
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Old 08-17-2009, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by TryHard View Post
Managed to learn a few things after racing too, making use of a nicely rubbered in track, biggest suprise was going to an F block on the rear both settled the car, and increased the high speed on-power steering
Which block did you use together with the F block?


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Originally Posted by syndr0me View Post
1XA/1F is standard in the rear on the WE kit. It will give you 3.5 degrees of rear toe (per side). Generally, I find rear toe gives you more forward traction, and increases the stability of the rear in general, but often at the expense of corner speed.
OK, I think that 3deg toe is more than enough for the rear I like to run with 3deg or less so what is the next block number for 3deg? And what is a split block?
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Originally Posted by Ramyuras View Post
OK, I think that 3deg toe is more than enough for the rear I like to run with 3deg or less so what is the next block number for 3deg? And what is a split block?
I call the one piece "bridge" and the 2 piece "split".
The lettering is based on a number line system . every sequential letter represents another 0.5 deg increment. The split blocks can be either X or not the X. The #1 represents a roll center change and does not effect toe in.
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XD
XC
XB
XA
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C
D
E
F
Wide
once again , every step is a half degree.
Hope this is a help to you .
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i use 1XA 1D rear and the lack of rear toe has reduced the drag on the straight and our straight is LOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNG , and now i have a top speed 5kmh faster than using 1XA 1F

that is also some thing to think about
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Originally Posted by sidecarphil1 View Post
i use 1XA 1D rear and the lack of rear toe has reduced the drag on the straight and our straight is LOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNG , and now i have a top speed 5kmh faster than using 1XA 1F

that is also some thing to think about
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Old 08-17-2009, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by John St.Amant View Post
I call the one piece "bridge" and the 2 piece "split".
The lettering is based on a number line system . every sequential letter represents another 0.5 deg increment. The split blocks can be either X or not the X. The #1 represents a roll center change and does not effect toe in.
Narrow...
XD
XC
XB
XA
X
A
B
C
D
E
F
Wide
once again , every step is a half degree.
Hope this is a help to you .
So you would use the XA-D in the rear and the A-F to get your rear toe and front sweep? sorry for all this question but the 416we is not like the other kit I ever had, the kits I am use to have numbers to determine the toe.
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Originally Posted by Ramyuras View Post
So you would use the XA-D in the rear and the A-F to get your rear toe and front sweep? sorry for all this question but the 416we is not like the other kit I ever had, the kits I am use to have numbers to determine the toe.
The four blocks on my car right now from front to back are as follows...
1XC/1XC;1X/1F
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Originally Posted by John St.Amant View Post
The four blocks on my car right now from front to back are as follows...
1XC/1XC;1X/1F
Are you sure? That seems like a really narrow front end...
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Originally Posted by 94eg! View Post
Are you sure? That seems like a really narrow front end...
Good eye 94,,, you are right .. its 1C/1C;1X/1F
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Originally Posted by Ramyuras View Post
So you would use the XA-D in the rear and the A-F to get your rear toe and front sweep? sorry for all this question but the 416we is not like the other kit I ever had, the kits I am use to have numbers to determine the toe.
Normally I use C-C or D-D at the front. C-C is a touch narrower than D-D and will give a little more steering. If you want to run sweep, you can try D-C.

At the rear, I'm running X-D which gives 2 deg rear toe which I feel is plenty for 10.5. XA-D and X-E will give 2.5 deg but X-E will be a touch wider which should give a little more stability than XA-D.

These are all subtle differences that lets you fine tune the handling of the car.
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Normally I use C-C or D-D at the front. C-C is a touch narrower than D-D and will give a little more steering. If you want to run sweep, you can try D-C.

At the rear, I'm running X-D which gives 2 deg rear toe which I feel is plenty for 10.5. XA-D and X-E will give 2.5 deg but X-E will be a touch wider which should give a little more stability than XA-D.

These are all subtle differences that lets you fine tune the handling of the car.
Man I think my car would be a bit twitchy with 2 degrees.
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Originally Posted by veecee View Post
Normally I use C-C or D-D at the front. C-C is a touch narrower than D-D and will give a little more steering. If you want to run sweep, you can try D-C.

At the rear, I'm running X-D which gives 2 deg rear toe which I feel is plenty for 10.5. XA-D and X-E will give 2.5 deg but X-E will be a touch wider which should give a little more stability than XA-D.

These are all subtle differences that lets you fine tune the handling of the car.
Yea that is the reason I got the 416we you have so much fine tune options, now all I want to know is the difference between the suspension blocks so I can setup the car the way I want.
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Originally Posted by Stein Tumert View Post
Which block did you use together with the F block?


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XA

I was racing on a small tight and twisty circuit, and more than anything need to stabilise the car. I've normally always run XA/E... and a friedn suggested trying F to help, and well, it did! Corner speed wasn't crucial, but stability was
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