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Welcome to the EB410 Wiki page.

Basic Stats/Features:
  • Shaft drive (tapered AL for light weight and straightness)
  • Gear differentials (all 3)
  • Low Angle CVAs (with captured pins so no ejecting them!)
  • Durable stub axles with 12mm hexes and optional offset adjustments
  • Reverse bellcrank steering system
  • Quick access bulkheads (for easy diff maintenance and tuning)
  • Spllt center diff holder (for easy diff maintenance and tuning)
  • 8th scale style motor mount (for easy mesh adjustment)
  • 13mm big bore shocks
  • 3.5mm shock shafts
  • Droop screws

Videos
Servo Horns
Tekno included a plastic servo horn but also offers an aluminum one. This is highly recommended. Here's a list of servo horns that have been found to work:
Gearing:
Works out of the box for mod or 13.5.
  • Preference for Associated factory team pinions
  • Start mod gearing around 21t pinion
  • Start 13.5 gearing around 29t pinion with the stock spur (81tooth). If using a Tekin Spec R 13.5, start with a 24t pinion for medium sized indoor tracks.
  • Internal Gear Ratio: 2.5:1
  • For comparison:
  • B64 is 2.47:1
  • 22-4 is 2.4:1
  • YZ4 is 2.6:1

Wheels
  • B6/22/rb6 wheels direct fit
  • 22-4/XB4 front wheels direct fit
  • B64 front wheels will fit, but you need the +1 hexes (can use #TKR1654X, which is a +1mm hex)
  • 22 2wd front wheels will also fit, possibly a good option for carpet.

Setup Sheets and other documentation
Setup sheets for all Tekno RC vehicles can be found here. Please be sure to try our recommended setup. It works very well on most tracks.
Piston Drills:
Some of our setups recommend using pistons that are enlarged. For instance 4x1.9 or 3x2.0. To drill the pistons we recommend the following:
Aftermarket Upgrades:
Warranty Policy:
Tekno RC is the only company in the industry that will give 50% off of parts if returned to them using the General Warranty return policy found on their website. The parts can be lightly used or completely abused, as long as the part is still being produced it's covered!


Build Tips:
  • When fastening the steering posts with a 5.5mm socket wrench, you can back space the socket with some nuts to help drive the post into the bulk head

  • Place an alcohol swab over metal threads and drive screws through the swab to clean both sides of threads before applying thread lock

  • Use a metallic marker to indicate what fluids you have filled in your diffs for easy identification

  • Apply thin layer of grease on crown gears to help hold gaskets in place for easy hole alignment

  • Bags F and H have 2 different size set screws, be sure to use the smaller 3x3mm screws for the hexes or you may run into problems installing wheels over the hex if you use the longer 3x4mm screws
  • To make is easier to slip the o-rings on the shock cap bleeder screws, apply a drop of shock oil and slip them over a 1.5mm hex bit, then line up the bit with the screw and transfer the o-ring over using fingernails or needle nose pliers
  • pinch+rotate shock caps in 17mm hex wrench to improve roundness
    More shock build tips here
  • Use a 3.05mm drill bit or 3.05mm Kyosho arm reamer, 1/8" drill bits are not recommended because they are 3.17mm in diameter and tend to introduce too much slop, the pins are roughly 2.97mm in diameter
  • Replace the stock 3x14mm screws (TKR1405) with 3x20mm screws (TKR1409) in step H-10 in the manual in order to increase durability to the bulkhead.

  • When installing the front and rear differentials into the bulkheads be careful when tightening the 3x8mm screws of the cover that holds the diff in place. Bottom out the screws first (use a hand driver and make it hand tight) then check the diff to make sure it rotates smooth. If it binds up, start by backing out each screw 1/8-1/4 of a turn until the both front and rear diffs move freely. The plastic threads will keep the screws in place so don't worry if you think the screws are not secure.
  • When installing the steering hub kingpins (TKR6596), drive each one in hand tight only. Then check the movement of the steering hub. If it binds up, back out the kingpin screws by 1/8-1/4 of a turn until it moves freely. Then install the set screws (TKR1601) to hold it in place. Only drive the set screw in until you make contact with the kingpin. Do not force it.
  • If using the low profile servo mount, be sure to use smaller OD (outter diameter) washers to avoid rubbing on the center drive shaft. Protek ball stud washers are a good example of the acceptable diameter. You can chose to not run washers though it is recommended to use them as it makes for a more secure mount.

  • Ball Cup Alternative from AE: ASC91453. These are used as a harder composite option if you are not happy with the softer stock plastics. Note that these are approximately 2-3mm shorter and require compensation when building your kit to the manual specs to achieve proper camber/toe settings


  • Wheel Nut Alternative: Yokomo 4mm Thin Aluminum Serrated Flanged Nut

    https://www.amainhobbies.com/yokomo-...-n4flt/p541494


  • Moving Rear Shocks to the Front of the A-arm

    This is the break down of what's required by one of the Eb410 FB users.

    Joey A.

    So since there has been some people wondering about running the shocks in the front of the arm I though I would try explaining everything that I did to get them to work and why. My goal was to run as much stock stuff as possible with the least amount of modifications.

    -Arms- need to be flipped and 1mm shaved off the back (spacing the arm farther back) running it this way the car is still a mm shorter then stock but more material could be removed for more adjustability but I have found no need to make the car longer.

    -Inner ball stud- there are 2 ways of mounting, the first can be used with the stock plastic tower. All you need to do is use a 10mm ball stud instead of the lower shock mount screw and a little clearance from the shock tower and diff case. Using this method will work but the ball stud is moved lower and farther in then the stock locations which requires different pivot locations to try and correct roll centers. The other way (preferred) using the option carbon tower drill a hole higher and farther out if done properly you will be able to get the ball stud location in the correct hight(0mm) and between the two stock locations.

    -Shocks- only 2 changes from stock you will need to space the top shock mount 2mm out. You will also need to run around 1.5-2mm less droop depending on your setup.

    -Sway bar- this is the hardest part of the swap. This can be done a million ways I chose to print a mount in the stock ball stud location which allowed me to use the stock swaybars and arm mounting position. You can also bend your own bar and use the stock mounts on the back. You will have to drill your arms on the other side and closer to the pivot for this to work (remember you will need a thinner bar the closer you mount the lower pickup on the arm to get the same feeling as stock).

    -Other- you will need to remove the drop screws on the rear arm. Depending on rear rims,hubs,ballcups and setup you might need to clearance the outer ball cup so it doesn’t rub on the wheel.

    -Why- the benefits of running the shocks in the front are the ability to run a softer rear shock package without giving up corner speed and pack. The car will land without chassis slapping or packing out as easy allowing you to drive the car harder and it corners flatter and rotates faster without losing rear grip.

    Sorry for the shity grammar,
    TJR

    Sway bar mount for forward mounted shocks: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Tekno-EB410...4AAOSwYNxahFkq

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Old 01-27-2017, 11:20 AM
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IS IT "MID 2017" YET?

Also I have a theory that the only reason we know this is even coming out, is to hopefully steal some customers away from the RC10B64
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I have heard that theory too lol. Which if its true, I don't blame them. At some point you want people to still be around for your stuff, especially if AEs new buggy is any good.

For me at least, I decided to go with some vehicles to tide me and the family over for now till I see what comes from Tekno. The big factors for me will be:

- Durability
- No nickel and diming you to death on stuff at this price point (so if you have delrin this, or that or kashima this or that, put it in the kit, car should look like what the team runs, not something dumbed down)
- Performance

I could say innovation as well, however, maybe we are getting to the point where a certain layout just makes sense. But to be honest, if tekno runs with something using there own take on things, I am game.
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Originally Posted by Cain
I have heard that theory too lol. Which if its true, I don't blame them. At some point you want people to still be around for your stuff, especially if AEs new buggy is any good.

For me at least, I decided to go with some vehicles to tide me and the family over for now till I see what comes from Tekno. The big factors for me will be:

- Durability
- No nickel and diming you to death on stuff at this price point (so if you have delrin this, or that or kashima this or that, put it in the kit, car should look like what the team runs, not something dumbed down)
- Performance

I could say innovation as well, however, maybe we are getting to the point where a certain layout just makes sense. But to be honest, if tekno runs with something using there own take on things, I am game.
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Originally Posted by Cain
I have heard that theory too lol. Which if its true, I don't blame them. At some point you want people to still be around for your stuff, especially if AEs new buggy is any good.
A bit less sinister, I would more guess on the theory that it helped make even more media attention to the company at the same time as they announced the releases of the EB48.4/NB48.4 and MT410.

But, no matter what the actual reason was…we know a great 4wd buggy will be coming in the middle of this year from Tekno!
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Heard that a proto has been spotted. Fairly conventinal shaft drive layout with a narrow
aluminum chassis. Had the big towers and shocks like a EB/NB though.
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Originally Posted by JsK
Heard that a proto has been spotted. Fairly conventinal shaft drive layout with a narrow
aluminum chassis. Had the big towers and shocks like a EB/NB though.
When you say narrow chassis, was it the chassis itself narrow and then had mudguards getting it to similar width like AE/Xray or is it all narrow?

would you say from what you heard the shocks were something bigger than the 12mm "standard" these days?

Looking forward to hearing more on handling, etc.
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Originally Posted by Cain
When you say narrow chassis, was it the chassis itself narrow and then had mudguards getting it to similar width like AE/Xray or is it all narrow?

would you say from what you heard the shocks were something bigger than the 12mm "standard" these days?

Looking forward to hearing more on handling, etc.
Like an xray with rear shocks on the front was how it was explained to me. I dont think they
where bigger in diameter, just longer.
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Originally Posted by JsK
Like an xray with rear shocks on the front was how it was explained to me. I dont think they
where bigger in diameter, just longer.
I think it would be cool to have a bigger diameter like 14mm or so (their sct uses 16mm), along with the long style like the EB.

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Originally Posted by jmcelroy42
I think it would be cool to have a bigger diameter like 14mm or so (their sct uses 17mm), along with the long style like the EB.

Teknos SCT uses 16mm shocks just like the 1/8 cars do.

Here's the description from Teknos site
Shocks:
◾16mm bore hard anodized shocks – Biggest-in-class!

http://www.teknorc.com/shop/tkr5507-...ed-description



There's only 2 companies that use 17mm Shocks...
Agama and Ofna
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Originally Posted by snwchris
Teknos SCT uses 16mm shocks just like the 1/8 cars do.

Here's the description from Teknos site
Shocks:
◾16mm bore hard anodized shocks – Biggest-in-class!

http://www.teknorc.com/shop/tkr5507-...ed-description



There's only 2 companies that use 17mm Shocks...
Agama and Ofna
Oops, I mis typed, yes I meant 16mm. My point was that Tekno is the only one I am aware of (edit: and Durango I think) using the 1/8 scale size shocks on their 4x4 sct, so it would be cool to see them do something similar on the wheeler.
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Would be cool, but at same time would be overkill as well for a 1/10 buggy.
16mm shocks would be bigger than the buggy, LOL
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and you'd be stuck buying their springs. no thanks. conventional 12mm shocks please.
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Possible 16mm shocks are to big for a 10th scale wheeler.
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With it appearing like the vehicle may have a more conventional layout, I am hoping that we can see some cool innovation on how the vehicle goes together. One thing I liked about the durango dex410v5 was how easy it was to get to the diffs. few screws and out it comes or just pull a clip and out comes the center diff. The D413 I have now I have heard is not like that so we'll see how it goes.

I do hope whatever they go with, that it has mud guards or something included that allows the usage of velcro to hold the body instead of say making your own guards like some of the graphite chassis have. Almost seems like we are past the point of body clip usage these days.

And please please please keep the vehicle in mind for 13.5 classes relative to weight and gearing range.
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Originally Posted by Cain
With it appearing like the vehicle may have a more conventional layout, I am hoping that we can see some cool innovation on how the vehicle goes together. One thing I liked about the durango dex410v5 was how easy it was to get to the diffs. few screws and out it comes or just pull a clip and out comes the center diff. The D413 I have now I have heard is not like that so we'll see how it goes.

I do hope whatever they go with, that it has mud guards or something included that allows the usage of velcro to hold the body instead of say making your own guards like some of the graphite chassis have. Almost seems like we are past the point of body clip usage these days.

And please please please keep the vehicle in mind for 13.5 classes relative to weight and gearing range.
I 2nd the wish for ease of access to the diffs because the d413 is indeed a bit of a pain if you need to change things quick lol.
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