Originally Posted by QDRHRSE

I had another race day with the B64. I finished 3rd because everybody else broke. My honest and unbiased opinion is that out of the box the TLR 22-4 2.0 is a better car. It pains me to say that as I absolutely hate and despise Losi stuff but they got it right the second time around. You can buy the 2nd version of the 22-4 and run it almost anywhere with the box set up and win, not just be competitive, but win. Can't do that with the B64. Fast guys are going to be fast with whatever car they have but the rest of us have to rely on set up. Associated failed in that respect. They knew what they had to achieve before the car was released and they didn't deliver. It doesn't matter that other cars have been out longer. This one is new and needed to be better, its not.

I am not fast but I am very consistent. The only reason that I finished well today is because I drove very conservatively and instead of letting it rip I cruised around the track trying not to hit anything. A lot of other guys have already broken a lot of parts. Today I saw an arm, a tower, both, and the front gearbox/bulkhead. The best part is that almost none of that stuff is available!

I am an AE fan and will continue to try to make the car work but I'm not afraid to admit the truth. I can pull out my 22-4 2.0 with the kit set up and run better. If the B64 is so much better with 13 degree caster blocks [or whatever] it should have come with them, if it could run better with different springs it should have come with them, and if simple tuning could have made it better the kit setup should be better. I think the design offers enough advantages over the competition but the execution isn't there.

The bottom line is that I'm more annoyed than impressed. AE needs to improve the plastic that they are using and they need to make the stock set up better even if that means including different parts. If I had to grade the B64D I'd give it a B or B-. Its not a bad car but its not good enough. I'm ready for the flaming to begin from folks that have not owned an XB4 or 22-4......lets hear it. I'm ready.

Originally Posted by "Smiley"

Honestly dont see how people are breaking parts. Saturday I had a practice day with mine. I let my buddy (who is a true sportsman driver) drive my B64D. He hit just about everything on the track. Zero broken parts. Tore the car down this week to inspect the diffs, etc. The B64D is a solid car.

Originally Posted by Trickyii

lcoal pros

Originally Posted by Trickyii

Youre lucky. My local track has 5 or more new 64Ds. The shop cant keep front arms in stock they break so often. I understand a bad driver or 2 but we have some lcoal pros and they are experiencing the same issues.

Front arms, shock towers, steering rack breakage. This is a 10th scale track and none of that 1/8th scale jump stuff. Front end of this car needs help badly.

Originally Posted by elex300

You can't compare a brand new platform to a car that's been out for a few years and been refined like the Xb4 and the 224 platforms. Also saying the 224 2.0 is a better car out of the box is also unfair for the same reason. If I remember correctly the 224 1.0 wasn't all that great. Once it was refined to where it is now it's dialed. Not 1 company has ever hit a home run with a new platform. Give AE some time to gather feedback from avg. users and the team drivers. I guarantee in a year the b64 will be a totally different animal.

Originally Posted by Krio

Just to toss more meaningless personal experience into the thread:

Now that I've broken both front arms that came in the kit (and they both had air pockets as others have experienced), I've had zero issues after another 10 full packs on the track. Crossing my fingers this keeps up because I don't have any more spares.

Originally Posted by QDRHRSE

I knew that this would come up. I'm just going to play the devils advocate for a second while answer you. Keep in mind I have 2 of each cars and am still working through my B64 issues. I like the brand and I'm willing to support them. That doesn't mean I can't be disappointed and share my very unbiased opinion based on my personal experience.

AE was aware of what the current cars [it competitors] were like. Why would they release something not on par with what is already selling? As a consumer I don't care that the car is gen 1. Not my concern. The car should have been able to compete with what was on the market when it came out. Why buy a car with teething pains when I could buy one that's established and has the bugs worked out already. That's kind of my point. What you said about the other cars is true. I don't disagree. However, when the XRAY broke bulkheads etc nobody bought it. TLR actually was very responsive to the market and made their mediocre car much better and then it started to sell. I just would have thought that the new AE would need less evolution. I'm not on this thread telling anybody to buy anything else. I'm just saying that they released an inferior product. Since it was just released why can't I compare it to the competition? Help me out. If most of us didn't have some semblance of brand loyalty why wouldn't we just buy one of the sorted out cars first? Seriously? I am giving it chance but I'm being honest about it. Isn't that what these forums are for?

Originally Posted by elex300

I guarantee in a year the b64 will be a totally different animal.

Originally Posted by Wildcat1971

I drove a guys 64d this part weekend. it was fine. I had a few light crashes. He ended up breaking an arm and shock cap in the main. But he is new to rc and hit a pipe hard while under power. He did have that retainer come off and plans to do the c-clip and oring fix.

Originally Posted by daedalus

Is the c-clip fix just adding the o-rings to the outdrives? Or is there a separate fix I need to do?

Originally Posted by QDRHRSE

I knew that this would come up. I'm just going to play the devils advocate for a second while answer you. Keep in mind I have 2 of each cars and am still working through my B64 issues. I like the brand and I'm willing to support them. That doesn't mean I can't be disappointed and share my very unbiased opinion based on my personal experience.

AE was aware of what the current cars [it competitors] were like. Why would they release something not on par with what is already selling? As a consumer I don't care that the car is gen 1. Not my concern. The car should have been able to compete with what was on the market when it came out. Why buy a car with teething pains when I could buy one that's established and has the bugs worked out already. That's kind of my point. What you said about the other cars is true. I don't disagree. However, when the XRAY broke bulkheads etc nobody bought it. TLR actually was very responsive to the market and made their mediocre car much better and then it started to sell. I just would have thought that the new AE would need less evolution. I'm not on this thread telling anybody to buy anything else. I'm just saying that they released an inferior product. Since it was just released why can't I compare it to the competition? Help me out. If most of us didn't have some semblance of brand loyalty why wouldn't we just buy one of the sorted out cars first? Seriously? I am giving it chance but I'm being honest about it. Isn't that what these forums are for?