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Here are some good build tips and notes from b1narych0ice (thank you):

Specific build step comments/warnings, including areas I replaced stock parts -- Think of this as a FAQ that answers questions I had from other builders about each step:

A-3: You can instead use TLR Aluminum Servo Mount here.
A-5: Be sure to get the shorter screw in the correct hole.
A-6: Use a 76 or 78T spur if you are running a 13.5T-21.5T motor instead of the 84 in the kit! and...
A-6: The plastic washer between the pulley and the thrust assembly should be oriented so that the flat side goes toward the pulley, and the side with the ring goes towards the thrust assembly's metal washer. Diagram in instructions is correct, you just can't see that this washer isn't flat on both sides from the illustration.
A-7: Be sure the nut holding the Full-Time 4WD assembly is nice and tight, I have seen it get loose in the 1.0 car!
A-9: Put the gears on the jackshaft before the c-clips, so that you don't have to deal with getting the c-clips off to put the gears on

B-2: It seems to be possible to push the outdrives on so tight that they bind when spun, be sure to ensure that they spin freely as the manual notes.
B-7: You're screwing the 1.3mm screws into metal, don't crank so hard you strip the heads on the screws. While this is metal-on-metal, the manual doesn't call for loctite here.
B-8: The rear diff has fewer/bigger teeth, the front diff has more/smaller teeth.
C-3/C-4: TLR Aluminum Bellcranks and Exotek steering rack can be used here to increase durability/reduce steering slop
C-8: TLR Aluminum A/B Horn can be used to increase durability/reduce steering slop.
D-2: Don't worry about the kingpins sticking out the front even when the nut is tight, the bumper will push them in and keep them there.
D-5: Shock tower screws were the tightest plastic part on my kit, look from the side when tightening down the tower at the gap between the tower and the front bulkhead, tighten until this gap is closed.
D-6/D-7: Don't mix up the CVA pins and the hex pins, should be easy because hex pins are black and CVA pins are silver.
D-8/D-9: Use a toothpick to get threadlock in the metal block instead of applying it to the shoulder bolt, so that you don't get it between the plastic spindle and the metal block.
E-1/E-2: Don't mix up the 10mm pins for the rear hexes with the 11mm pins for the rear CVAs! They are packaged together and both silver, so it's easy to think you just have 4 pins that are the same!
G-1: No need to install the post on the right side if you are running a shorty and use velcro to attach the body to the mud guards. You can move the right post up or down a little so that it snugly fits your shorty battery.
G-2: Aluminum Servo Horn can be used here.
G-4: Adjust the length of the link and the servo horn position so that both the servo horn and the horn on the bellcranks are parallel with each other, and perpendicular with the link.

Hope this helps some of you that are putting your kits together, and thanks to Frank and the TLR crew for a solid kit!

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Driveshaft Update from Frank - I've reviewed some parts today from stock. The 'issue' part is definitely the rear CVA driveshaft bone. The pin slot is not 90* to the bore for the barrel. We are working to get good parts made and here for CS use ASAP.

Some of the parts I checked were not 100% free, but definitely run-able. Keep in mind that the driveshafts should wear in fairly well, and quickly (within a few packs). If you have a 22-4 2.0 and are experiencing issues with the driveshafts, we won't have good replacements for probably a couple of weeks (no definitive timeline yet), so I would recommend running them on track for 1-2 packs, then rechecking. I think most will free up well.

I am sorry that we are having an issue. Everything was great during samples until production, but we'll make sure to get it right, and make it right for those with the bad parts.
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What is the proper level for the diffs...i am used to building 8th scale diffs, i would assume its the same?
Just under level. You need some room for the output gear that is in the cap.

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Frank can u explain what is the difference between the a and b horn, TLR331018?
It isn't the horn, it is the ackermann setting. B will have less off power, better mid corner steering. A will have more off power steering, less mid corner.

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Old 04-04-2017, 08:52 AM
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i do mine about every 3-4 race days only because i get bored and like to tinker with my stuff.
Did the SS Hobby track last Sunday and probably should have listened to you. Not going back there again and now I need a rear arm before Lake Park this Sunday.
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Damn it, snapped the threads off a front hinge pin. Won't do that again. Doubt my LHS has them in stock, anyone run without the nut?
I don't use the nut. The front bumper holds the pin in just fine.
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Use the nut just don't torque it off this time!
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Did the SS Hobby track last Sunday and probably should have listened to you. Not going back there again and now I need a rear arm before Lake Park this Sunday.
that sucks you can try deans to see if they have one or hobby town they may.
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Sorry you had a issue with S&S, Ive Never had any Issues with S&S, & have Never broke anything on any of my cars there...
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Owners (the older couple) were super nice. But there were some other issues. Letting a young kid basically run the place at times was interesting. I can't really name names here but early during the main my kid was right up with another popular driver...this driver crashed on a jump just before a U shaped turn...the corner marshal (a younger driver who was probably biased towards this driver) picked up the car and put in on the track past the next turn ahead of my son's car. And having drivers who are the owner's sons (and related) on the same course...one of them stopped on the track in front of my son on the straight (fastest part of the track) causing our car to do several flips and we broke a rear arm at the base of the chassis pivot.

Not really an ideal situation when the family members own the track and race a few classes. They corner for each other etc.

Just left a bad taste in my mouth.
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Originally Posted by JoeW
Owners (the older couple) were super nice. But there were some other issues. Letting a young kid basically run the place at times was interesting. I can't really name names here but early during the main my kid was right up with another popular driver...this driver crashed on a jump just before a U shaped turn...the corner marshal (a younger driver who was probably biased towards this driver) picked up the car and put in on the track past the next turn ahead of my son's car. And having drivers who are the owner's sons (and related) on the same course...one of them stopped on the track in front of my son on the straight (fastest part of the track) causing our car to do several flips and we broke a rear arm at the base of the chassis pivot.

Not really an ideal situation when the family members own the track and race a few classes. They corner for each other etc.

Just left a bad taste in my mouth.
Brothers at my track (just recently learned that - which explains it) race rookie and sporstman. When rookie brother driver marshals for sportsman...guess which car he picks up first eventhough his sportsman brother crashed later than the other guys. It also happens vice versa. Sportsman bro would slowly pick up the leading car while his rookie brother in 2nd place catches up LOL.... whatever.
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I see that kind of crap all the time, the guy that caused the crash gets flipped first because he's someone's buddy
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Originally Posted by jabroni racing
Sorry you had a issue with S&S, Ive Never had any Issues with S&S, & have Never broke anything on any of my cars there...
Hey man... just want to let you know I stopped using the clicker now since I have gotten used to the buggy and needed AGGRESSIVE control . I have "graduated" to full time 4wd. LOL

BTW... does anybody run their buggy without the rear swaybar? I race at a bumpy high traction clay track. Just wondering if it drives better without it.
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I see that kind of crap all the time, the guy that caused the crash gets flipped first because he's someone's buddy
First in First out, as a marshal your not always aware of the entire situation to
determine "WHO" caused something so you control the only thing you can, First
In First Out.
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I love going to S&S, Yes Ronnie & his wife have both his youngest & oldest son help on the mic & run a race & they arent the most experienced at it but he does it for the fun of the hobby & his boys who race a lot. Where else can you go for $10 a class and after 2 entried the rest are free that has a roof, out of the climate, free power & air compressor. I deal with non experienced turn marshals everywhere i go, its a fact of racing. On top of that, They host B-day races for anyone that goes there to celebrate them & they truly appreciate the people that come out..My point being its nice to see a place that isnt motivated by money & takes the time to recognize its racers more than other places..
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Could anyone share some 13.5 gearing for indoor clay? What spur and pinion? Why lower spurs such as 76 or 78 instead of the kit 84?
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Im curious , anyone running a 10.5 & what pinion as the manual jumps from 13.5 turn to 9.5 in gearing recommendation. Im thinking 23 with the stock spur??
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Originally Posted by dbracn
Could anyone share some 13.5 gearing for indoor clay? What spur and pinion? Why lower spurs such as 76 or 78 instead of the kit 84?
Depends a little on the motor and timing of the motor but 27/76 should put you close. You can get away with a 84 and 13.5. You just need to use a larger pinion. This gets you around 84/30 and that gets the motor rotated around quite a bit and can be a problem thus the smaller spur.

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Im curious , anyone running a 10.5 & what pinion as the manual jumps from 13.5 turn to 9.5 in gearing recommendation. Im thinking 23 with the stock spur??
Gear one higher from the 9.5 recommendation. Don't be afraid to try higher as the manual can be conservative. Check temps and go up from there.
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Thanks casper, my 13.5 runs great & I have tq'd and won the last 4 times I raced at the track so Im thinking it may be time to try & step it up a little since most others are running 9 or lower. lol.
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