New isnt always better...when will chassis peak?
03-12-2015, 12:50 PM
#16
D413 is still almost always out of stock, almost a year after it's first sold to public.
Also, the heated racing war for pros, creating more strict rules, and limits innovations. It's like a few years ago when formula 1 was using V8 engines, the engine was so restricted by rules, they are technologically years behind those road car engines parked outside the track.
It is essential to restrict innovation in racing. That's the only thing preventing racing from become a wallet race, and that syndrome almost killed F1 and MotoGP recently. Menawhile, NASCAR has incredible viewership and fan retention with pushrod V8's and fixed racing (YELLOW FLAG!! Debris on the track!)
03-12-2015, 01:01 PM
#17
And you're wrong!
There's nothing innovative about a D413.
I have an FGX. I bought it thinking that the independent suspension must be better. It's not competitive on anything other than a makeshift parking lot track. Yes, it's novel but if I wanted an accurate F1 model, this wouldn't be it.
You don't need active dampening. Most people don't know how to tune their shocks now. Tracks are quite smooth today and not in need of innovation here. If anything, modern track surface has dictated that more primitive damping technology can work just fine as opposed to rougher tracks of old.
If you want a front braking system on a 2wd, use a 4wd with one way front bearings.
People were trying 4 wheel steering in the late 80's.
Brake bias is certainly something that could be tried but it's contingent on the wheels being on the ground. Traction aids in offroad are difficult to implement because the wheels aren't always on the ground. There's certainly room to explore this though.
Basically you haven't disproven anything that I've stated. No one today wants innovation. They think they do. They want things to be durable. They want good parts availability. They do want to be told something is innovative and they'll typically believe whatever they are told, true or otherwise, but at the end of the day true innovation isn't really necessary. Marketing wouldn't exist if people understood everything.
There's nothing innovative about a D413.
I have an FGX. I bought it thinking that the independent suspension must be better. It's not competitive on anything other than a makeshift parking lot track. Yes, it's novel but if I wanted an accurate F1 model, this wouldn't be it.
You don't need active dampening. Most people don't know how to tune their shocks now. Tracks are quite smooth today and not in need of innovation here. If anything, modern track surface has dictated that more primitive damping technology can work just fine as opposed to rougher tracks of old.
If you want a front braking system on a 2wd, use a 4wd with one way front bearings.
People were trying 4 wheel steering in the late 80's.
Brake bias is certainly something that could be tried but it's contingent on the wheels being on the ground. Traction aids in offroad are difficult to implement because the wheels aren't always on the ground. There's certainly room to explore this though.
Basically you haven't disproven anything that I've stated. No one today wants innovation. They think they do. They want things to be durable. They want good parts availability. They do want to be told something is innovative and they'll typically believe whatever they are told, true or otherwise, but at the end of the day true innovation isn't really necessary. Marketing wouldn't exist if people understood everything.
03-12-2015, 01:02 PM
#18
We used to say that back in the RC10 days but then the Jrx2 came out with it's 5-link rear end. Lately innovation has been driven by the reduced weight/size of lipo. I agree that we won't see a revolutionary design but the stuff is better/stronger/faster now than it was in the 90's and it costs the same or less.
The D413 is likely out because HB has decided to forecast conservatively and restrict availability. Nothing creates demand like demand.
It is essential to restrict innovation in racing. That's the only thing preventing racing from become a wallet race, and that syndrome almost killed F1 and MotoGP recently. Menawhile, NASCAR has incredible viewership and fan retention with pushrod V8's and fixed racing (YELLOW FLAG!! Debris on the track!)
The D413 is likely out because HB has decided to forecast conservatively and restrict availability. Nothing creates demand like demand.
It is essential to restrict innovation in racing. That's the only thing preventing racing from become a wallet race, and that syndrome almost killed F1 and MotoGP recently. Menawhile, NASCAR has incredible viewership and fan retention with pushrod V8's and fixed racing (YELLOW FLAG!! Debris on the track!)
03-12-2015, 01:20 PM
#19
Not relevant to the topic, but I would have to strongly disagree here. And specifically in F1, more strict rules seem drive innovation. The things they do with those machines today is very advanced.
03-12-2015, 02:06 PM
#20
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Really? F1 years behind cars parked outside? I hope I misunderstood your comment.
Not relevant to the topic, but I would have to strongly disagree here. And specifically in F1, more strict rules seem drive innovation. The things they do with those machines today is very advanced.
Not relevant to the topic, but I would have to strongly disagree here. And specifically in F1, more strict rules seem drive innovation. The things they do with those machines today is very advanced.
*Though I hate the no noise problem of these high-tech turbo V6.
But then there's a okay dex210, and they transferred the stuff from 1/10 to 1/8...
Let's see how far it will go with the back to basic stuff then.
03-12-2015, 02:07 PM
#21
A few things I can think of:
1. Electronic controlled adaptive dampening.
2. front brake system for 2wd vehicles.
3. four wheel steering for racing vehicles.
4. electronic controlled braking bias (inside wheel brake more in low speed corners)
5. active aero-dynamic components.
6. smart diff for smaller cars.
1. Electronic controlled adaptive dampening.
2. front brake system for 2wd vehicles.
3. four wheel steering for racing vehicles.
4. electronic controlled braking bias (inside wheel brake more in low speed corners)
5. active aero-dynamic components.
6. smart diff for smaller cars.
03-12-2015, 03:47 PM
#23
I was saying those V8 engines, and I was paraphrasing high level person (I don't remember who) from those race teams, when they were promoting the idea of changing to turbo V6.
*Though I hate the no noise problem of these high-tech turbo V6.
DEX410 seems to be a good success, it made a brand out of the serpent dropped out project (financial problem), and they sold the company to greatplanes. I'd consider that innovation a win.
But then there's a okay dex210, and they transferred the stuff from 1/10 to 1/8...
Let's see how far it will go with the back to basic stuff then.
*Though I hate the no noise problem of these high-tech turbo V6.
DEX410 seems to be a good success, it made a brand out of the serpent dropped out project (financial problem), and they sold the company to greatplanes. I'd consider that innovation a win.
But then there's a okay dex210, and they transferred the stuff from 1/10 to 1/8...
Let's see how far it will go with the back to basic stuff then.
03-12-2015, 03:52 PM
#24
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Really? F1 years behind cars parked outside? I hope I misunderstood your comment.
Not relevant to the topic, but I would have to strongly disagree here. And specifically in F1, more strict rules seem drive innovation. The things they do with those machines today is very advanced.
Not relevant to the topic, but I would have to strongly disagree here. And specifically in F1, more strict rules seem drive innovation. The things they do with those machines today is very advanced.
03-12-2015, 04:21 PM
#25
not to sway the conversation away from chassis innovations, but im still waiting on nitro engines to have a break through, brushless style... when will there be a total rethink of the carbs on a glow engine, like how about a cv style vaccume main jet.... who is gonna be the first manufacture to machine a block to make room for a lip seal in front of the bearing, whos gonna run needle bearing in a bell... stuff that would make things too reliable and ease the user
im no engineer, i wish i had the free time to really play with toys seriously, but i see so much of it as just toys, and even as detailed and amazing they are... there still toys and are engineered as to market.. not to the performance/reliability aspect... theres no profits in a cure... or in well running, long term reliability...to the end consumer that is
im no engineer, i wish i had the free time to really play with toys seriously, but i see so much of it as just toys, and even as detailed and amazing they are... there still toys and are engineered as to market.. not to the performance/reliability aspect... theres no profits in a cure... or in well running, long term reliability...to the end consumer that is
03-12-2015, 04:21 PM
#26
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ROAR rule starts from a good basis to the "sport", and they are pretty open minded (i.e. letting these 4wd buggy shorty only configuration be legal).
Just thinking it would be fun if those imaginations will ever be feasible enough to exist, making rc cars a cheaper technology test ground for real stuffs. (i.e. deltawing project started using an rc car to test its concept will even work or not)
It's the same price as those major brand's, won't be future classic to be a collector's item, nor they are a huge brand like kyosho or AE, parts are probably not available in local hobby stores either.
The only thing I can think of is if someone is seriously into both 1/8 and 4x4 SCT class, and he really want them to share one part box. Then what's wrong with tekno? lacking pillow ball front end?
03-12-2015, 04:36 PM
#27
A few things I can think of:
1. Electronic controlled adaptive dampening.
2. front brake system for 2wd vehicles.
3. four wheel steering for racing vehicles.
4. electronic controlled braking bias (inside wheel brake more in low speed corners)
5. active aero-dynamic components.
6. smart diff for smaller cars.
1. Electronic controlled adaptive dampening.
2. front brake system for 2wd vehicles.
3. four wheel steering for racing vehicles.
4. electronic controlled braking bias (inside wheel brake more in low speed corners)
5. active aero-dynamic components.
6. smart diff for smaller cars.
03-12-2015, 04:39 PM
#28
no fight on this one, I like both the heavily regulated cheap and fun nascar style racing, also the highly advanced technology testing ground like (part of) F1 and World Endurance Championship.
ROAR rule starts from a good basis to the "sport", and they are pretty open minded (i.e. letting these 4wd buggy shorty only configuration be legal).
Just thinking it would be fun if those imaginations will ever be feasible enough to exist, making rc cars a cheaper technology test ground for real stuffs. (i.e. deltawing project started using an rc car to test its concept will even work or not)
yes, it's gonna run just fine, strong, and easy to work on. But just like their touring car, if you are not sponsored by them, why buy it?
It's the same price as those major brand's, won't be future classic to be a collector's item, nor they are a huge brand like kyosho or AE, parts are probably not available in local hobby stores either.
The only thing I can think of is if someone is seriously into both 1/8 and 4x4 SCT class, and he really want them to share one part box. Then what's wrong with tekno? lacking pillow ball front end?
ROAR rule starts from a good basis to the "sport", and they are pretty open minded (i.e. letting these 4wd buggy shorty only configuration be legal).
Just thinking it would be fun if those imaginations will ever be feasible enough to exist, making rc cars a cheaper technology test ground for real stuffs. (i.e. deltawing project started using an rc car to test its concept will even work or not)
yes, it's gonna run just fine, strong, and easy to work on. But just like their touring car, if you are not sponsored by them, why buy it?
It's the same price as those major brand's, won't be future classic to be a collector's item, nor they are a huge brand like kyosho or AE, parts are probably not available in local hobby stores either.
The only thing I can think of is if someone is seriously into both 1/8 and 4x4 SCT class, and he really want them to share one part box. Then what's wrong with tekno? lacking pillow ball front end?
03-12-2015, 04:49 PM
#29
To your MX example, back in the late 80's, the AMA put production rules in place and effectively did away with "works" bikes (had to have stock frame, engine cases, etc.). Now MX bikes are better than ever (advanced) for consumers and privateers can be pretty competitive with factory riders at a reasonable cost and the brand dynasties are over (Honda was 125cc champ for something like 14 years).
