Go Back  R/C Tech Forums > General Forums > Electric Off-Road
17.5 Ballistic in an SC10 >

17.5 Ballistic in an SC10

Community
Wiki Posts
Search

17.5 Ballistic in an SC10

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 03-08-2011, 08:34 PM
  #1  
Tech Elite
Thread Starter
iTrader: (37)
 
godofcable's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Spring Hill Fl
Posts: 2,022
Trader Rating: 37 (100%+)
Default 17.5 Ballistic in an SC10

So I just ordered a 17.5 turn Ballistic setup for my SC10. It has a stock tranny (other than a ball diff), and i'm currently running an 87 spur/16 pinion.

what gearing does the Ballistic love? Need decent top end, but also need some low end grunt for a small track.
godofcable is offline  
Old 03-08-2011, 08:41 PM
  #2  
Tech Fanatic
iTrader: (5)
 
GizmoJunkie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Suwanee, GA
Posts: 999
Trader Rating: 5 (100%+)
Default

Small indoor, running no boost, i was at 75/23, 75/24.

On a mild boost Ive gone to 81/24, 78/23.

For that track which is small, tight, and high bite i started at 75/25 but was getting pretty hot.

All on stock endbell timing.
GizmoJunkie is offline  
Old 03-08-2011, 08:46 PM
  #3  
Tech Elite
iTrader: (195)
 
tcrain's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Farmington, Mo
Posts: 2,647
Trader Rating: 195 (100%+)
Default

Originally Posted by GizmoJunkie
Small indoor, running no boost, i was at 75/23, 75/24.

On a mild boost Ive gone to 81/24, 78/23.

For that track which is small, tight, and high bite i started at 75/25 but was getting pretty hot.

All on stock endbell timing.
Yep..I run a small, tight, high bite track as well. I run 75/26 with a no esc timing/boost rule. Good top end wih enough bottom end to make our big double.
tcrain is offline  
Old 03-08-2011, 08:48 PM
  #4  
Tech Elite
Thread Starter
iTrader: (37)
 
godofcable's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Spring Hill Fl
Posts: 2,022
Trader Rating: 37 (100%+)
Default

Why does 75/24 or even 23 sound really tall to me. Does that give you enough grunt out of the corners?

I have a traxxas titan 12T (brushed, duh) in it now. Tried running 23/87 and it went into thermal. Is the brushless that much more efficient, therefore less heat?
godofcable is offline  
Old 03-08-2011, 08:51 PM
  #5  
Tech Master
iTrader: (3)
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 1,001
Trader Rating: 3 (100%+)
Default

Stock end bell timing on a Ballistic 17.5 is +30°. Also, if you reduce the end bell timing, you are not supposed to go below +5° for some reason.
Rufus2010 is offline  
Old 03-08-2011, 08:54 PM
  #6  
Tech Elite
Thread Starter
iTrader: (37)
 
godofcable's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Spring Hill Fl
Posts: 2,022
Trader Rating: 37 (100%+)
Default

Originally Posted by Rufus2010
Stock end bell timing on a Ballistic 17.5 is +30°. Also, if you reduce the end bell timing, you are not suppossed to go below +5° for some reason.
Where I run requires no boost or timing adjustments so keep that in mind.
godofcable is offline  
Old 03-08-2011, 09:00 PM
  #7  
Tech Regular
 
slackomatic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: huntsville AL
Posts: 264
Default

Originally Posted by godofcable
Why does 75/24 or even 23 sound really tall to me. Does that give you enough grunt out of the corners?

I have a traxxas titan 12T (brushed, duh) in it now. Tried running 23/87 and it went into thermal. Is the brushless that much more efficient, therefore less heat?
Yes they are and a 17.5 brushless has a bunch of torque. I thought the same thing when I was setting up my 17.5 ballistic in the slash but it can handle the tall gearing. I am currently running 24/83 on my 17.5 and throwing 40* of boost on top of that and still just barely touching 160 in a 10min main. Without boost I was running 27/83 in the slash and 20-25* end bell timing.

There are guys at my track running 26/75 in there sc10. But with it that high they have said they cant run them even 1min past 10min or they overheat. They really push the limits with them.
slackomatic is offline  
Old 03-08-2011, 09:14 PM
  #8  
Tech Fanatic
iTrader: (5)
 
GizmoJunkie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Suwanee, GA
Posts: 999
Trader Rating: 5 (100%+)
Default

Yeah I have tried 75/25 75/26 (nonboosted). It just gets too hot too quick on a small track where you need all the bottom end you can get. Its almost like standing starts at every corner. The high bite adds a lot of heat.

That ratio would work better on a flowing track where you are in the mid-top rpms and dont need the bottom torque as much.

On a 1/8 track (huge!) i have run 75/28 with boost and turbo and didnt come off the track as hot as i was indoor. That "grunt" makes a lot of heat if you dont watch it. Torque + low gear + traction = Nasty holeshot!

If you have practice time at your track this is where you need to be. Discover the different ways the truck feels. Make sure you temp often. Take a mental note of your lap times.
GizmoJunkie is offline  
Old 03-08-2011, 09:20 PM
  #9  
Tech Regular
 
slackomatic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: huntsville AL
Posts: 264
Default

Originally Posted by GizmoJunkie
Yeah I have tried 75/25 75/26 (nonboosted). It just gets too hot too quick on a small track where you need all the bottom end you can get. Its almost like standing starts at every corner. The high bite adds a lot of heat.

That ratio would work better on a flowing track where you are in the mid-top rpms and dont need the bottom torque as much.

On a 1/8 track (huge!) i have run 75/28 with boost and turbo and didnt come off the track as hot as i was indoor. That "grunt" makes a lot of heat if you dont watch it. Torque + low gear + traction = Nasty holeshot!

If you have practice time at your track this is where you need to be. Discover the different ways the truck feels. Make sure you temp often. Take a mental note of your lap times.
Never thought about it like that. That makes a lot of since considering my track only has 1 hairpin turn all the rest are sweeping turns.
slackomatic is offline  
Old 03-08-2011, 09:22 PM
  #10  
Tech Regular
 
slackomatic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: huntsville AL
Posts: 264
Default

Godofcable are you setting the SC10 up for the same indoor carpet track you ran the slash on?
slackomatic is offline  
Old 03-08-2011, 09:47 PM
  #11  
Super Moderator
iTrader: (31)
 
racer1812's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: RIP 'Chopper', 4/18/13 miss you bud:(
Posts: 15,499
Trader Rating: 31 (100%+)
Default

another vote for 25-26/75 no boost. I've run as high as a 27t but that's on a big track.
racer1812 is offline  
Old 03-09-2011, 03:22 AM
  #12  
Tech Elite
Thread Starter
iTrader: (37)
 
godofcable's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Spring Hill Fl
Posts: 2,022
Trader Rating: 37 (100%+)
Default

Originally Posted by slackomatic
Godofcable are you setting the SC10 up for the same indoor carpet track you ran the slash on?
Yes, same track. Too many losi XXX-SCT's. The Slash is quick straight line but it just doesn't turn. I can pull quick laps with the SC10 but with the Titan in it I eat up a 5000mah Lipo in about 8 minutes.
godofcable is offline  
Old 03-09-2011, 07:44 AM
  #13  
Tech Regular
 
slackomatic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: huntsville AL
Posts: 264
Default

I would go with what gizmo had said. Starting around 23-24/75 and just run it and check temps. If I remember correctly there really isnt a long straight on that track so having top end wouldnt really be able to be used. Heck I might even go as low as 22 on that track.
slackomatic is offline  
Old 03-09-2011, 07:09 PM
  #14  
Tech Elite
Thread Starter
iTrader: (37)
 
godofcable's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Spring Hill Fl
Posts: 2,022
Trader Rating: 37 (100%+)
Default

indoor, small carpet track, tons of bite. I'm thinking about starting at 19/78, and check temps. I'll throw a couple of pinion choices in the box, maybe one or two teeth in either direction, and try them out. checking temps and lap times. lap times i'll be able to feel i think.

i dont want to jump teeth too big, too fast and wind up going too hot
godofcable is offline  
Old 03-09-2011, 07:14 PM
  #15  
Tech Elite
iTrader: (15)
 
JEFFs SC10's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Orlandooooo, Fl
Posts: 4,041
Trader Rating: 15 (100%+)
Default

I ran a 74/28 with boost, she ran awesome
JEFFs SC10 is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.