Short Course Setup Methods
11-30-2010, 08:15 PM
#31
I hate to even say something here but its killing me. I personally know a few of the top guys in the country and most likely the world. They don't have frieking mechanics. They wrench on their own stuff just like you and me. They do it alot more often and meticulously most likely. They use all the setup tools we do. Camber gauge, ride height gauge, caliper, etc. Most I know don't use a setup board and almost always eyeball front toe. There is a way to check it with a flat surface and camber gauge (or iphone), but most don't do it. They don't get their stuff pre-setup. If you see one of them with a mechanic at a big race he is usually just their pit guy and does what they tell him. Especially the american drivers. The closest thing I've seen to a mechanic is Cav's dad who is very hands on. Mayfield, Fischer, Drake, Truhe all do their own. You really think the guy pitting for Drake touches his motor without looking up to see what he says first. HA!
12-01-2010, 12:46 AM
#32
Tech Fanatic
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You guys are just too funny... We go from talking Short Course setup to 1/8th scale worlds!
I hate name droppers but I'm going to go ahead and do it here... My track houses top level factory Kyosho drivers as well as Joe Pillars, who happens to be Tebo's pit man when they race gas. If Jared needs a quick adjustment to his car while he's on the drivers stand Joe makes it. Other than that Jared wrenches and sets up his own car.
Now at something like worlds, all of the manufacturers have their top engine builders there working on the teams motors, these guys are the best at building and tuning motors and thats why there there. I'm pretty sure Yuichi Kanai was there for tuning support as well... It's worlds for gods sake. This is not how things normally work.
All of the top drivers build their own kits and do all of their own setup work, this isn't formula 1 guys!
I've had the pleasure of having Tebo and Cav both at our track multipule times for invitational races amongst just coming up for a club race and to hang out. Both of them made setup changes to their cars all on their own, they all used the same simple tools that we've been talking about. No rocket science, magic or setup boards! And they did it all on their own without anyone holding their hand or doing it for them!
I hate name droppers but I'm going to go ahead and do it here... My track houses top level factory Kyosho drivers as well as Joe Pillars, who happens to be Tebo's pit man when they race gas. If Jared needs a quick adjustment to his car while he's on the drivers stand Joe makes it. Other than that Jared wrenches and sets up his own car.
Now at something like worlds, all of the manufacturers have their top engine builders there working on the teams motors, these guys are the best at building and tuning motors and thats why there there. I'm pretty sure Yuichi Kanai was there for tuning support as well... It's worlds for gods sake. This is not how things normally work.
All of the top drivers build their own kits and do all of their own setup work, this isn't formula 1 guys!
I've had the pleasure of having Tebo and Cav both at our track multipule times for invitational races amongst just coming up for a club race and to hang out. Both of them made setup changes to their cars all on their own, they all used the same simple tools that we've been talking about. No rocket science, magic or setup boards! And they did it all on their own without anyone holding their hand or doing it for them!
12-01-2010, 08:25 AM
#33
I use my Hudy 1/8 (with 17mm adaptors) for set up. I then take the measurement of the gap between ball ends on the turnbuckle with calipers and adjust (if necessary) between runs.
I don’t agree measurements change “just by running” I’ve hand plenty of get offs and clean runs to check and they stayed solid. If people are running into problems with measurements changing then they should replace the ball ends.
I don’t agree measurements change “just by running” I’ve hand plenty of get offs and clean runs to check and they stayed solid. If people are running into problems with measurements changing then they should replace the ball ends.
12-01-2010, 08:43 AM
#34
I use a Integy Universal setup station on my SC10 and T4. Nice and easy.
12-01-2010, 09:57 AM
#35
I think the basic settings like; ride height, camber, and front/rear toe are as important as driving and pushing yourself to be smooth and consistant. With that being said, I think just eyeballing is cutting yourself short. RC-ZOMBIE what setup station do you use and do they make one for short course trucks?
12-01-2010, 11:01 AM
#36
Look at this link and see who else is helping Tebo, http://www.jaredtebo.com/team/
Looks like good old dad is his mechanic. Heck he even has a chassis guy listed.
You might see some of these guys at local events wrenching but with most of the factory support, I think 80 percent of the setup is done before they get the vehicle in their hands. The designers know where the vehicle needs to be for a baseline for the pros.
Looks like good old dad is his mechanic. Heck he even has a chassis guy listed.
You might see some of these guys at local events wrenching but with most of the factory support, I think 80 percent of the setup is done before they get the vehicle in their hands. The designers know where the vehicle needs to be for a baseline for the pros.
12-01-2010, 11:07 AM
#37
I hate to even say something here but its killing me. I personally know a few of the top guys in the country and most likely the world. They don't have frieking mechanics. They wrench on their own stuff just like you and me. They do it alot more often and meticulously most likely. They use all the setup tools we do. Camber gauge, ride height gauge, caliper, etc. Most I know don't use a setup board and almost always eyeball front toe. There is a way to check it with a flat surface and camber gauge (or iphone), but most don't do it. They don't get their stuff pre-setup. If you see one of them with a mechanic at a big race he is usually just their pit guy and does what they tell him. Especially the american drivers. The closest thing I've seen to a mechanic is Cav's dad who is very hands on. Mayfield, Fischer, Drake, Truhe all do their own. You really think the guy pitting for Drake touches his motor without looking up to see what he says first. HA!
I was Ryan Lutz's "mechanic" during the Kyosho years. My job was to wrench engines on what ever Ryan needed. 99% of the time it was himself. My role was the second set of eyes and brains for set up and advice. (That and 2 second pit stops
12-01-2010, 11:53 AM
#38
Tech Addict
I have to agree with the pro's that have been in the hobby for sometime, but look at the age of most of the pros and sponsored drivers today, it's getting younger and younger and that's when I throw up the flag of reality of those guys setting their own cars up. This is what I call the video gamer generation where the kids can wheel, but forget about adding work and wrenching into their lifestyle. 14 year old from Australia taking fourth in the worlds. Some people are naturals at wheeling and others no matter how good the setup is are never going to be able to wheel.
Now me on the other hand, I suck at wrenching and I suck at driving. lol.
Their's no hope for me! haha!
12-01-2010, 01:04 PM
#39
I hate to even say something here but its killing me. I personally know a few of the top guys in the country and most likely the world. They don't have frieking mechanics. They wrench on their own stuff just like you and me. They do it alot more often and meticulously most likely. They use all the setup tools we do. Camber gauge, ride height gauge, caliper, etc. Most I know don't use a setup board and almost always eyeball front toe. There is a way to check it with a flat surface and camber gauge (or iphone), but most don't do it. They don't get their stuff pre-setup. If you see one of them with a mechanic at a big race he is usually just their pit guy and does what they tell him. Especially the american drivers. The closest thing I've seen to a mechanic is Cav's dad who is very hands on. Mayfield, Fischer, Drake, Truhe all do their own. You really think the guy pitting for Drake touches his motor without looking up to see what he says first. HA!
Who implied I was crazy doing it this way? I do count the threads on the tie rods when I screw the ball cups on if that counts
My point is I think alot of people over complicate this hobby and focus more on set up and having the latest and greatest gear rather than improving their driving. Not knocking anyone in this thread, just making a general statement.
For those of you that have been aroun awhile, back in the days of dog bones before CVD's who else used springs out of pens cut in half inside the hub carries to keep tension on the dog bones to help keep them from popping out? Still works today with the entry level kits
12-01-2010, 04:58 PM
#41
Who implied I was crazy doing it this way? I do count the threads on the tie rods when I screw the ball cups on if that counts
My point is I think alot of people over complicate this hobby and focus more on set up and having the latest and greatest gear rather than improving their driving. Not knocking anyone in this thread, just making a general statement.
For those of you that have been aroun awhile, back in the days of dog bones before CVD's who else used springs out of pens cut in half inside the hub carries to keep tension on the dog bones to help keep them from popping out? Still works today with the entry level kits
My point is I think alot of people over complicate this hobby and focus more on set up and having the latest and greatest gear rather than improving their driving. Not knocking anyone in this thread, just making a general statement.
For those of you that have been aroun awhile, back in the days of dog bones before CVD's who else used springs out of pens cut in half inside the hub carries to keep tension on the dog bones to help keep them from popping out? Still works today with the entry level kits
12-01-2010, 05:19 PM
#42
Must be talent. J/K
Lots and lots of experience. I started racing RC when I was 8 years old. My parents owned and operated a LHS and track for almost 15 years. I can eyeball toe in/out with in a degree. Again, this is off road and the tolerances are MUCH more forgiving than if it was say a pan car.
Lots and lots of experience. I started racing RC when I was 8 years old. My parents owned and operated a LHS and track for almost 15 years. I can eyeball toe in/out with in a degree. Again, this is off road and the tolerances are MUCH more forgiving than if it was say a pan car.
12-01-2010, 05:51 PM
#44
Look at this link and see who else is helping Tebo, http://www.jaredtebo.com/team/
Looks like good old dad is his mechanic. Heck he even has a chassis guy listed.
You might see some of these guys at local events wrenching but with most of the factory support, I think 80 percent of the setup is done before they get the vehicle in their hands. The designers know where the vehicle needs to be for a baseline for the pros.
Looks like good old dad is his mechanic. Heck he even has a chassis guy listed.
You might see some of these guys at local events wrenching but with most of the factory support, I think 80 percent of the setup is done before they get the vehicle in their hands. The designers know where the vehicle needs to be for a baseline for the pros.
i will try to find the video that he said that in
that site was from 2005
12-01-2010, 06:52 PM
#45
I hate to even say something here but its killing me. I personally know a few of the top guys in the country and most likely the world. They don't have frieking mechanics. They wrench on their own stuff just like you and me. They do it alot more often and meticulously most likely. They use all the setup tools we do. Camber gauge, ride height gauge, caliper, etc. Most I know don't use a setup board and almost always eyeball front toe. There is a way to check it with a flat surface and camber gauge (or iphone), but most don't do it. They don't get their stuff pre-setup. If you see one of them with a mechanic at a big race he is usually just their pit guy and does what they tell him. Especially the american drivers. The closest thing I've seen to a mechanic is Cav's dad who is very hands on. Mayfield, Fischer, Drake, Truhe all do their own. You really think the guy pitting for Drake touches his motor without looking up to see what he says first. HA!