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Leodis 08-10-2010 08:06 AM

I just found out that I'll be able to pick up my new buggy at the lhs/track this weekend. :D Does anyone know if you're supposed to still put 1.5 oz. of weight in the new B4.1's in the same spots where you're supposed to put it in the B4?

Ae*Driver*70 08-10-2010 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Leodis (Post 7786068)
I just found out that I'll be able to pick up my new buggy at the lhs/track this weekend. :D Does anyone know if you're supposed to still put 1.5 oz. of weight in the new B4.1's in the same spots where you're supposed to put it in the B4?

Yes and YES !~ :nod:

Ae*Driver*70 08-10-2010 08:44 AM

AE Is Killer Of All......
 

Originally Posted by Leodis (Post 7786068)
I just found out that I'll be able to pick up my new buggy at the lhs/track this weekend. :D Does anyone know if you're supposed to still put 1.5 oz. of weight in the new B4.1's in the same spots where you're supposed to put it in the B4?

Yes and YES !~ :nod:

Ae*Driver*70 08-10-2010 08:45 AM

AE Is Killer Of All......
 

Originally Posted by Armaan (Post 7782409)
TQ...reminded me of the TQ10 version of the RC10 back in the day...

http://www.rctech.net/forum/attachme...forum-tq10.jpg

Not to get too off topic, but for more vintage RC10 pics: http://www.rc10talk.com/viewtopic.php?f=77&t=16080

Man that is a CLEAN BUGGY !

hlb14 08-10-2010 08:51 AM

will this servo be strong enough and fast enough?
http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_...gh-Speed-Servo

aeRayls 08-10-2010 08:52 AM


Originally Posted by Leodis (Post 7786068)
I just found out that I'll be able to pick up my new buggy at the lhs/track this weekend. :D Does anyone know if you're supposed to still put 1.5 oz. of weight in the new B4.1's in the same spots where you're supposed to put it in the B4?


Not necessarily. Cav has been running 1/2oz in front of tranny and 1/4oz in each rear triangle. His 4.1 setup is really good especially on high bite or indoor smooth tracks. The FT4.1 kit setup works really really well on outdoor/slightly rough tracks except take 1 limiter out of front and rear shocks.

zanernator 08-10-2010 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by hlb14 (Post 7786259)
will this servo be strong enough and fast enough?
http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_...gh-Speed-Servo

This would be better its faster and cheaper:nod:

http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_...-Surface-Servo

Leodis 08-10-2010 09:10 AM


Originally Posted by aeRayls (Post 7786263)
Not necessarily. Cav has been running 1/2oz in front of tranny and 1/4oz in each rear triangle. His 4.1 setup is really good especially on high bite or indoor smooth tracks. The FT4.1 kit setup works really really well on outdoor/slightly rough tracks except take 1 limiter out of front and rear shocks.

Thanks. :)

Jmuck69 08-10-2010 11:01 AM

This is Cav's latest setup from Hotrod Hobbies Shootout. This was a high-bite outdoor track. Notice he used Team Losi shock oil and graphite arms.

http://67.199.85.166/racing/setups/b...otout_2010.pdf

pink_sleeve 08-10-2010 12:04 PM

Cav is running 2 limiters in the front but then unscrewing them a half turn?

zanernator 08-10-2010 03:43 PM

http://s456.photobucket.com/albums/q...0810001525.jpg

Here is my ft b4.1 just painted the body:sneaky:

smojoe 08-10-2010 04:57 PM


Originally Posted by pink_sleeve (Post 7786997)
Cav is running 2 limiters in the front but then unscrewing them a half turn?

might be some voodoo thing to get a little oil underneath the piston at full droop. or he felt like the rest of us mortals and didn't feel like tearing apart the shock to get the spacers out

Jack Smash 08-10-2010 05:14 PM

The 4.1 includes longer front shafts so the new standard is 2 limiters under the piston. Cav must have felt like he needed a hair more downtravel.

DG Designs 08-10-2010 09:44 PM

Got my FT T4.1 built! Actually it probably about 4.0875.:sneaky: I had a spare chassis and bodies from my T4 i gave to a cousin so i built my FTSC10 up on it. Just need the hubs. Question for you guys though. Does the inside most hole on the new towers represent the same as the 4th hole everyone was drilling? gotta like geeting 2 trucks for the price of one, almost

Ae*Driver*70 08-10-2010 11:14 PM

AE Is Killer Of All......
 

Originally Posted by zanernator (Post 7787851)
http://s456.photobucket.com/albums/q...0810001525.jpg

Here is my ft b4.1 just painted the body:sneaky:

REALLY !~:lol::lol::lol:

Ae*Driver*70 08-10-2010 11:15 PM

Any Pics of any New Rides !:cool:

zanernator 08-10-2010 11:36 PM


Originally Posted by Ae*Driver*70 (Post 7789633)
REALLY !~:lol::lol::lol:

:lol::lol::lol: oops i will give u guys links

here it is

http://s456.photobucket.com/albums/q...0810001525.jpg

Armaan 08-10-2010 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by zanernator (Post 7789688)
:lol::lol::lol: oops i will give u guys links

here it is

http://s456.photobucket.com/albums/q...0810001525.jpg

Here ya go. Looks nice man!

http://www.rctech.net/forum/attachme...0810001525.jpg

zanernator 08-10-2010 11:48 PM

Thanks,

the only thing i worry about is there is a 1/8 slop:flaming: in and out on the top shaft and for some reason i cant bleed the front shocks.:flaming:

but the rest of it is great anyone else have this problem:confused:

Shirk 08-10-2010 11:54 PM


Originally Posted by zanernator (Post 7789722)
Thanks,

the only thing i worry about is there is a 1/8 slop:flaming: in and out on the top shaft and for some reason i cant bleed the front shocks.:flaming:

but the rest of it is great anyone else have this problem:confused:

Looks like your camber is a little off...:sneaky:

zanernator 08-10-2010 11:56 PM


Originally Posted by Shirk (Post 7789738)
Looks like your camber is a little off...:sneaky:

ya i know:rolleyes: i have nothing setup i need to fix ride height and all the turnbuckles:lol::lol:

aeRayls 08-11-2010 12:07 AM


Originally Posted by DG Designs (Post 7789437)
Got my FT T4.1 built! Actually it probably about 4.0875.:sneaky: I had a spare chassis and bodies from my T4 i gave to a cousin so i built my FTSC10 up on it. Just need the hubs. Question for you guys though. Does the inside most hole on the new towers represent the same as the 4th hole everyone was drilling? gotta like geeting 2 trucks for the price of one, almost

NOt on the t4/sc10 tower no. Only on the new b4 towers.

RC Racer OG 08-11-2010 08:06 AM


Originally Posted by Armaan (Post 7789703)

Nice paint job :lol:

VegasHB 08-12-2010 01:51 PM

Started building my FT B4.1 and the fit and finish are much better compared to all the other Assoc kits I have built. Only minor problem I ran into thus far is the long screw that goes through the servo saver didn't fit through the little bearings without a little sanding that took the black finish off the screw.

Not sure if I'm feeling all the plastic opposed to carbon parts but they make up for it with other parts I guess as far as price goes.

Jmuck69 08-12-2010 01:56 PM


Originally Posted by VegasHB (Post 7797312)
Started building my FT B4.1 and the fit and finish are much better compared to all the other Assoc kits I have built. Only minor problem I ran into thus far is the long screw that goes through the servo saver didn't fit through the little bearings without a little sanding that took the black finish off the screw.

Not sure if I'm feeling all the plastic opposed to carbon parts but they make up for it with other parts I guess as far as price goes.

Answers concerning the carbon parts from AE directly.

http://www.rctech.net/forum/7731372-post13244.html

&

http://www.rctech.net/forum/7735230-post13272.html

VegasHB 08-12-2010 02:41 PM

Makes sense, plus replacing them won't cost a few extra bucks.

punkracer24 08-12-2010 03:06 PM

hey guys got some new parts that i need to get rid of.......

http://www.rctech.net/forum/r-c-item...ml#post7797583

sstoffer 08-13-2010 05:12 PM

Is there any list of all the new changes to the 4.1FT compared to the old FT and what those changes are? Oople has mentioned chassis, rear plate, and what seems like a lot of other parts other than the obvious shocks and towers.

Jmuck69 08-13-2010 05:43 PM

V2 slipper hubs and spring
Gold slipper pads
V2 shocks
New geometry shock towers
Heavy duty front axle (steel)
New rear hub carriers (aluminum with .5 toe in)
New rear a arm mounts (toe in)
Battery thumb screws

No carbon parts
CVA axles

mjk1210 08-13-2010 06:15 PM


Originally Posted by pink_sleeve (Post 7786997)
Cav is running 2 limiters in the front but then unscrewing them a half turn?

Some of the TEAM is running two limiters and then unscrewing the end to get more tune-ablity into the shock. If they run one limiter and don't unscrew it they can only adjust them one way. If they run two and unscrew the end then the adjustments don't require dis-assembling the entire shock. Just tightening the end back up. In that particular setup he must have chosen 1/2 turn back in.

zanernator 08-13-2010 11:15 PM

First race with the b4.1 and tq'ed and got 3rd in the main:sneaky:

costcommando 08-14-2010 12:05 AM

nice job zane

csweatt 08-14-2010 01:40 AM

Built mine tonight. Had one of the CVA axles that wasn't milled correctly. The shaft end will not fit into it, to put CVA together. Kinda sucks, guess I will call AE Monday :(

VegasHB 08-14-2010 07:52 AM

The B4.1 kit really surprised me at how different it is from the B4 kits. It's really a re-designed car imo.

There's a couple things I REALLY don't like though.

One being the CVA's. You have to really work to get the shafts centered, if you don't then they'll vibrate like crazy likely ruing the hub bearing life. Kinda silly how much play you can get in them.

Second you gotta be really careful to only barely tighten the transmission case screws. The thread lock is a must here. The transmission spins really free until you put any torque on the screws. The cases plastic must be a LOT softer than previous ones, it's crazy how bad the tranny binds when any torque is applied to the screws. Not to mention my kit didn't come with thread lock, they really should.

RA99GT 08-14-2010 07:57 AM

my kit's diff outdrives weren't machined correctly, such that the diff screw won't thread into the t-nut and the cva bag was missing the roll pins :(

i picked up replacement outdrives from my lhs, and faxed in ae's "defective" parts form for that, and used some solid roll pins that i was going to put in anyway.

still have the v2 shocks to build. hopefully nothing is defective/missing in those bags!

Jmuck69 08-14-2010 08:11 AM


Originally Posted by VegasHB (Post 7804499)
The B4.1 kit really surprised me at how different it is from the B4 kits. It's really a re-designed car imo.

There's a couple things I REALLY don't like though.

One being the CVA's. You have to really work to get the shafts centered, if you don't then they'll vibrate like crazy likely ruing the hub bearing life. Kinda silly how much play you can get in them.

Second you gotta be really careful to only barely tighten the transmission case screws. The thread lock is a must here. The transmission spins really free until you put any torque on the screws. The cases plastic must be a LOT softer than previous ones, it's crazy how bad the tranny binds when any torque is applied to the screws. Not to mention my kit didn't come with thread lock, they really should.


Double check that all your bearings are fully seated in the case halves. Second, it could be the topshaft spacer. I had to go to B4 rear axle spacer and shim accordingly. I found the topshaft spacer is a tad too long and causes it to bind when tightening down.

hajjar22 08-14-2010 08:46 AM

What is a good wheel and tire setup for dirt grass and pavement that I can put on my t4.1

claymonkey 08-14-2010 08:56 AM

Just finished building my FT b4.1. And all went well as far as tolerences. It was missing two internal shock spacers so I had to use from my stash, but other then that it went together perfectly. By the way the roll pins were not in the cva bag, but in a seperate bag altogether. And My tranny does not bind at all even when tightend down.

aeRayls 08-14-2010 09:46 AM

Everything in mine went together great, and yes the roll pins come in a whole other bag, i think it was with the body clips and such. With the cva's you have to add a 3rd axle shim to both sides imo. My FTsc10 really needed a 3rd shim as well.

My tranny was smooth as butter and i tried cranking on the screws to see if it would bind and it didnt. MOst likely a bearing might be slightly unseated. Usually if everything is seated correctly and there is still a bind its just the case itself. The old cases were like this as well, some just didnt come out of the molds well.

The manual calls for 2 shock limiters front and rear and I only got 1 each for the front shocks. No big deal though its all driver preferance, i dont like that much limiting on the tracks i run on.

It is like building a whole "different" b4. the quality is much higher than even the FTB4 i built new in march( or the 6 others before that lol). Id say 85% of the kit is new/different.

mxracer458 08-14-2010 11:14 AM

on the t4 what holes you guys running the upper tie rod in?which hole on the caster block and front tower?


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