[Project] Custom Reverse Chassis Mid-motor Bandit
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Hello,
First a little backstory... Ever since I have gotten my bandit, I had wanted to do the midmotor mod and have a better chassis with a more forward SoG. I researched tons of threads and almost all of them were either kits that were expensive (I'm on a budget here) and had to run a shorty battery. Since I already have non-shorty batteries that I am happy with and don't have anything else to use them with, I decided to try to make mine the first I have seen to keep the original wheelbase, have mid-motor, and run full sized packs.
I started by taking my Bandit apart to get to the chassis, once I got there I studied it and realized that it would be impossible to keep the original geometry keeping the original chassis, so I thought. I put the chassis down and took a break, later I went back into the shop, the way I had put the chassis down was backwards, then I realized that the chassis almost looked exactly the same as high-end buggies and truggies. I started doing some math then drilling holes for the rear gearbox, I found that with light filing and some small hand saw cuts, it fit perfectly with even the right anti-squat (No RPM gearbox needed!).
I moved on to the front, found out the ESC plate screw pattern is the same as a servos, than began prototyping a steering linkage, I found out that with the original steering linkage there was no possible way to make it work without the servo sticking out hugely. I hit a wall and worked on it for a solid 3 days, I tried over 10 different methods and none of them worked, I originally wanted reverse-bellcrank but there is no way to do that with the original bulkhead so that was a bust from the start. I started to dig around my parts and found my 2.5 T-Maxx steering linkage, I started to work with that and discovered that if I cut them down and made a vertical bellcrank system, similar to reverse, it worked perfectly, with a few mm to spare. Granted it has a little less steering lock, but for using cobbled up aluminum angle of unknown grade, I think I did OK.
Enough talking-writing, here are the pictures
The final weight is around 3ibs, there is plenty of weight to take off of the transmission case, front chassis brace, and chassis. I am thinking of buying a carbon front tower, and making my own rear tower out of aluminum or plastic to lower the shock profile because they are way too long (SCT shocks) I also need a wing mount, I was thinking an 8ight 4.0 wing and mount because I hate the stock one.
I will make a follow up post of the build pictures, and diagrams of how to make it.
Does anyone have any suggestions for a body? don't care which brand since this is going to be a mashup. I also plan on making a custom body for it, any suggestions on body styles?
First a little backstory... Ever since I have gotten my bandit, I had wanted to do the midmotor mod and have a better chassis with a more forward SoG. I researched tons of threads and almost all of them were either kits that were expensive (I'm on a budget here) and had to run a shorty battery. Since I already have non-shorty batteries that I am happy with and don't have anything else to use them with, I decided to try to make mine the first I have seen to keep the original wheelbase, have mid-motor, and run full sized packs.
I started by taking my Bandit apart to get to the chassis, once I got there I studied it and realized that it would be impossible to keep the original geometry keeping the original chassis, so I thought. I put the chassis down and took a break, later I went back into the shop, the way I had put the chassis down was backwards, then I realized that the chassis almost looked exactly the same as high-end buggies and truggies. I started doing some math then drilling holes for the rear gearbox, I found that with light filing and some small hand saw cuts, it fit perfectly with even the right anti-squat (No RPM gearbox needed!).
I moved on to the front, found out the ESC plate screw pattern is the same as a servos, than began prototyping a steering linkage, I found out that with the original steering linkage there was no possible way to make it work without the servo sticking out hugely. I hit a wall and worked on it for a solid 3 days, I tried over 10 different methods and none of them worked, I originally wanted reverse-bellcrank but there is no way to do that with the original bulkhead so that was a bust from the start. I started to dig around my parts and found my 2.5 T-Maxx steering linkage, I started to work with that and discovered that if I cut them down and made a vertical bellcrank system, similar to reverse, it worked perfectly, with a few mm to spare. Granted it has a little less steering lock, but for using cobbled up aluminum angle of unknown grade, I think I did OK.
Enough talking-writing, here are the pictures
I will make a follow up post of the build pictures, and diagrams of how to make it.
Does anyone have any suggestions for a body? don't care which brand since this is going to be a mashup. I also plan on making a custom body for it, any suggestions on body styles?
Last edited by BrickitSAM; 08-03-2018 at 05:22 AM.
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WOW.
This is totally incredible. I got a Rustler a few year ago and became quite obsessed with the mid-motor conversion (turns out, MM makes a huge difference and is much better).
I read 100s of threads/posts, and your idea is absolutely the most clever by far!
I went down the route of buying a chuckworks chassis, and it is fine - works well, etc. But your solution is so much more clever and elegant.
Please do post more details on the steering linkage, in particular, as I don't quite see how that all works, and of course, please do post running videos.
As for bodies, you might start with Rustler bodies (either stock or aftermarket) as they are cheap, easy to get, and give you lots of extra space to work around those mods.
Awesome work!
This is totally incredible. I got a Rustler a few year ago and became quite obsessed with the mid-motor conversion (turns out, MM makes a huge difference and is much better).
I read 100s of threads/posts, and your idea is absolutely the most clever by far!
I went down the route of buying a chuckworks chassis, and it is fine - works well, etc. But your solution is so much more clever and elegant.
Please do post more details on the steering linkage, in particular, as I don't quite see how that all works, and of course, please do post running videos.
As for bodies, you might start with Rustler bodies (either stock or aftermarket) as they are cheap, easy to get, and give you lots of extra space to work around those mods.
Awesome work!
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WOW.
This is totally incredible. I got a Rustler a few year ago and became quite obsessed with the mid-motor conversion (turns out, MM makes a huge difference and is much better).
I read 100s of threads/posts, and your idea is absolutely the most clever by far!
I went down the route of buying a chuckworks chassis, and it is fine - works well, etc. But your solution is so much more clever and elegant.
Please do post more details on the steering linkage, in particular, as I don't quite see how that all works, and of course, please do post running videos.
As for bodies, you might start with Rustler bodies (either stock or aftermarket) as they are cheap, easy to get, and give you lots of extra space to work around those mods.
Awesome work!
This is totally incredible. I got a Rustler a few year ago and became quite obsessed with the mid-motor conversion (turns out, MM makes a huge difference and is much better).
I read 100s of threads/posts, and your idea is absolutely the most clever by far!
I went down the route of buying a chuckworks chassis, and it is fine - works well, etc. But your solution is so much more clever and elegant.
Please do post more details on the steering linkage, in particular, as I don't quite see how that all works, and of course, please do post running videos.
As for bodies, you might start with Rustler bodies (either stock or aftermarket) as they are cheap, easy to get, and give you lots of extra space to work around those mods.
Awesome work!
I might try a rustler, was hoping for something that is more formed to the chassis, but I guess a cheap beater body would be nice.
#4
This is really cool and I'm glad that you have made this post. I just picked up a Bandit last week and haven't yet figured out which direction I'm going to take it. You have really given me some fuel for thought. The Associated T6 has a similar wheelbase and rear-shock configuration so I wonder whether bodies for that will work?
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Here's the tutorial on how to make it.
I started with JB welding some of the old bolt holes
I then drilled holes for the transmission
Countersinking the holes
You can add and subtract washers to adjust the anti-squad (caster angle)
File down the taps in the rear of the chassis and cut off some material.
Sand down servo holes, don't do as much as I did, I would just shave off enough to fit the servo horn.
skipped ahead a bit here, just mounted the rear trans, and made the front steering brackets, I made a diagram, but it's completely wrong, I need to make a new one. Also made a top plate, it's the original top plate but I filed the lines off it and cut it down.
Here are the diagrams of the rear, front, and steering. You can use the physical pictures and these as references
The steering rack is right, just the angles measurements are wrong.
Hopefully this is enough, if you need any more pictures just ask and I will take some more
I started with JB welding some of the old bolt holes
Last edited by BrickitSAM; 08-03-2018 at 05:20 AM.
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Did you use something like a body reamer to countersink the chassis holes? I like the level of detail that you've provided with this write-up. Thanks. I'm thinking about getting a Rustler and doing this conversion.
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Cool, if you have any questions, shoot me a PM. By the way I forgot to mention it, the turnbuckles I used to brace the chassis are form the front end of a bandit. They really lock up the chassis and make it very solid
#9
Great job! A clean mid motor build with the materials at your disposal. Curious to hear about the durability of this project long term. As for a body, I really enjoyed the Jconcepts BAJR on my slash project, and I like the look of the Jconcepts Illuzion Raptor SVT SCT-R as well, not sure how they match up with the dimensions of your project though.
Also, when posting pics from Flickr, only use the portion of the url that actually has the image url and not all the surrounding info. And usually you only need to post one because it automatically allows viewers to click through your entire photostream. To stop that you can make separate albums dedicated to the topic's project, and just link the album url.
Also, when posting pics from Flickr, only use the portion of the url that actually has the image url and not all the surrounding info. And usually you only need to post one because it automatically allows viewers to click through your entire photostream. To stop that you can make separate albums dedicated to the topic's project, and just link the album url.
Last edited by I_NeedBigDrink; 08-02-2018 at 10:54 PM.
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Great job! A clean mid motor build with the materials at your disposal. Curious to hear about the durability of this project long term. As for a body, I really enjoyed the Jconcepts BAJR on my slash project, and I like the look of the Jconcepts Illuzion Raptor SVT SCT-R as well, not sure how they match up with the dimensions of your project though.
Also, when posting pics from Flickr, only use the portion of the url that actually has the image url and not all the surrounding info. And usually you only need to post one because it automatically allows viewers to click through your entire photostream. To stop that you can make separate albums dedicated to the topic's project, and just link the album url.
Also, when posting pics from Flickr, only use the portion of the url that actually has the image url and not all the surrounding info. And usually you only need to post one because it automatically allows viewers to click through your entire photostream. To stop that you can make separate albums dedicated to the topic's project, and just link the album url.
Thank you, I fixed the pictures, I just did it individually because its more in tune with the text making it a little easier to understand
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What kind of Ackerman and bump steer do you get with the steering rack that is 90° to the spindle pivot plane?
Are you doing all of this to make your car faster on the track? Are you concerned that if you break any of your modified/custom parts that your car will be out of commission until you can make new ones? Trading durability and ease of maintenance for maybe a little better handling seems like a step sideways at best if you are running the car on track. If you are not running on a track, it seems like a step backwards in terms of what you would want out of a basher car (durability and ease of maintenance).
I guess all that matters is that you are having fun.
Are you doing all of this to make your car faster on the track? Are you concerned that if you break any of your modified/custom parts that your car will be out of commission until you can make new ones? Trading durability and ease of maintenance for maybe a little better handling seems like a step sideways at best if you are running the car on track. If you are not running on a track, it seems like a step backwards in terms of what you would want out of a basher car (durability and ease of maintenance).
I guess all that matters is that you are having fun.
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What kind of Ackerman and bump steer do you get with the steering rack that is 90° to the spindle pivot plane?
Are you doing all of this to make your car faster on the track? Are you concerned that if you break any of your modified/custom parts that your car will be out of commission until you can make new ones? Trading durability and ease of maintenance for maybe a little better handling seems like a step sideways at best if you are running the car on track. If you are not running on a track, it seems like a step backwards in terms of what you would want out of a basher car (durability and ease of maintenance).
I guess all that matters is that you are having fun.
Are you doing all of this to make your car faster on the track? Are you concerned that if you break any of your modified/custom parts that your car will be out of commission until you can make new ones? Trading durability and ease of maintenance for maybe a little better handling seems like a step sideways at best if you are running the car on track. If you are not running on a track, it seems like a step backwards in terms of what you would want out of a basher car (durability and ease of maintenance).
I guess all that matters is that you are having fun.
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Here's the running video, I'm sorry for the potato camera, I just got a cheap action camera and wanted to test it out. Also, forgive my hamfisted driving 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWNQ...ature=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWNQ...ature=youtu.be
#14
I can't wait to see what it looks like once you figure out what kind of body to run. A buddy and I tried to convert our Kyosho Turbo Ultimas to mid-motor back in the late 80's, but since we didn't have your fabrication skills it turned out to be a disaster. That's why I always like to see guys achieve some degree of success with such endeavors.
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I can't wait to see what it looks like once you figure out what kind of body to run. A buddy and I tried to convert our Kyosho Turbo Ultimas to mid-motor back in the late 80's, but since we didn't have your fabrication skills it turned out to be a disaster. That's why I always like to see guys achieve some degree of success with such endeavors.



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