27LikesScammers - don't report individuals, just understand (and avoid!) their methods
04-10-2023, 06:17 AM
#1
Scammers - don't report individuals, just understand (and avoid!) their methods
Scammers, those nasty people who try to cheat you out of your money... yes, they exist, and yes they are even here on rctech.net. 
So far, many people come running to this section here to report the user name and the email address of the person who scammed them (either successfully or a least tried to), both as a warning to others and so that the account gets banned. If you did so, you have pretty much wasted your time, I'm afraid.
Why? Well, first because most people are too trusting to check here before it's too late anyway and second the scammers' accounts will not get banned.
See, both an account on rctech and a new free email address are created with only a handful of clicks. So when a scammer's account gets burned, a new one will be back in no time. So neither posting their names here nor banning their account will do much (if anything) to their operation, except set them back a minute or two.
So what should people do instead?
The good thing is, you don't need to know the user name or email of a scammer to protect yourself. It's not the name you need to look out for, it's their modus operandi (M.O.), which unlike their account doesn't change. So just understand how this works and you'll recognize it early enough to stop it from working on you.
So how does it work?
1.) You actually start the whole process by posting an add in the "Wanted" section of the forum.
2.) Someone writes to you via PM that he knows someone else who has just the thing you're looking for, and gives you an email address and a name for you to contact.
Ok, now what to look out for: the person sending you that PM has most likely only ever made exactly one post here (and if you happen to look it up, it's in a random thread only saying something like "Cool" or "Thanks", etc. - never anything substantial or more than two or three words)
3.) Once you contact that Email address and inquire about your item, you'll receive pictures of the item you are looking for via email.
What to look out for: google the item you want by using what you wrote in your wanted add / email. Chances are you will find the exact same pictures on Google that you just got via email.
4.) You'll be told all kinds of reasons why you cannot pay via PayPal Goods&Services, but only via the Friends&Family option - or to use a completely different payment service.
Why is that? PayPal does not offer refunds when paying via Friends&Family, just as most other payment services - you'll not get any money back once you payed.
5.) You pay via such a service and... you'll of course never receive the item you wanted.
6.) You come here and report user name and email...
But you could have recognized and stopped this whole thing long before. The method is old and doesn't change. There are enough warnings posted about what to do/not to do. But it is oh so tempting, to find the item you've been wanting and for a good price... No time to read!...must!... hurry!... must have this!
Always remember: rctech.net is a free and open internet forum that can be accessed worldwide, so in this regard rctech.net is not safer than any other internet site out there. Keep in mind: this not your local hobby store or racetrack. And not everyone who is signed on here is automatically a friendly and helpful guy you share a hobby with. In fact these scammers are likely located in an entirely different country, probably even on a different continent half a world away (without you ever realizing), and never had anything to do with RC in their entire life. And yet you still trust them enough to use payment services without refund options? Please think before you act.
So far, many people come running to this section here to report the user name and the email address of the person who scammed them (either successfully or a least tried to), both as a warning to others and so that the account gets banned. If you did so, you have pretty much wasted your time, I'm afraid.
Why? Well, first because most people are too trusting to check here before it's too late anyway and second the scammers' accounts will not get banned.
See, both an account on rctech and a new free email address are created with only a handful of clicks. So when a scammer's account gets burned, a new one will be back in no time. So neither posting their names here nor banning their account will do much (if anything) to their operation, except set them back a minute or two.
So what should people do instead?
The good thing is, you don't need to know the user name or email of a scammer to protect yourself. It's not the name you need to look out for, it's their modus operandi (M.O.), which unlike their account doesn't change. So just understand how this works and you'll recognize it early enough to stop it from working on you.
So how does it work?
1.) You actually start the whole process by posting an add in the "Wanted" section of the forum.
2.) Someone writes to you via PM that he knows someone else who has just the thing you're looking for, and gives you an email address and a name for you to contact.
Ok, now what to look out for: the person sending you that PM has most likely only ever made exactly one post here (and if you happen to look it up, it's in a random thread only saying something like "Cool" or "Thanks", etc. - never anything substantial or more than two or three words)
3.) Once you contact that Email address and inquire about your item, you'll receive pictures of the item you are looking for via email.
What to look out for: google the item you want by using what you wrote in your wanted add / email. Chances are you will find the exact same pictures on Google that you just got via email.
4.) You'll be told all kinds of reasons why you cannot pay via PayPal Goods&Services, but only via the Friends&Family option - or to use a completely different payment service.
Why is that? PayPal does not offer refunds when paying via Friends&Family, just as most other payment services - you'll not get any money back once you payed.
5.) You pay via such a service and... you'll of course never receive the item you wanted.
6.) You come here and report user name and email...
But you could have recognized and stopped this whole thing long before. The method is old and doesn't change. There are enough warnings posted about what to do/not to do. But it is oh so tempting, to find the item you've been wanting and for a good price... No time to read!...must!... hurry!... must have this!
Always remember: rctech.net is a free and open internet forum that can be accessed worldwide, so in this regard rctech.net is not safer than any other internet site out there. Keep in mind: this not your local hobby store or racetrack. And not everyone who is signed on here is automatically a friendly and helpful guy you share a hobby with. In fact these scammers are likely located in an entirely different country, probably even on a different continent half a world away (without you ever realizing), and never had anything to do with RC in their entire life. And yet you still trust them enough to use payment services without refund options? Please think before you act.
04-10-2023, 06:25 AM
#2
Tech Master
iTrader: (19)
Wow, something sensible written about this.
RCTech can not protect you. They have posted guidance many times, but mostly ignored.
Best advice, read the rules/recommendations before posting. And do due diligence and research.
As always, CAVEAT EMPTOR.
RCTech can not protect you. They have posted guidance many times, but mostly ignored.
Best advice, read the rules/recommendations before posting. And do due diligence and research.
As always, CAVEAT EMPTOR.
04-10-2023, 08:57 AM
#3
Scammers, those nasty people who try to cheat you out of your money... yes, they exist, and yes they are even here on rctech.net.
So far, many people come running to this section here to report the user name and the email address of the person who scammed them (either successfully or a least tried to), both as a warning to others and so that the account gets banned. If you did so, you have pretty much wasted your time, I'm afraid.
Why? Well, first because most people are too trusting to check here before it's too late anyway and second the scammers' accounts will not get banned.
See, both an account on rctech and a new free email address are created with only a handful of clicks. So when a scammer's account gets burned, a new one will be back in no time. So neither posting their names here nor banning their account will do much (if anything) to their operation, except set them back a minute or two.
So what should people do instead?
The good thing is, you don't need to know the user name or email of a scammer to protect yourself. It's not the name you need to look out for, it's their modus operandi (M.O.), which unlike their account doesn't change. So just understand how this works and you'll recognize it early enough to stop it from working on you.
So how does it work?
1.) You actually start the whole process by posting an add in the "Wanted" section of the forum.
2.) Someone writes to you via PM that he knows someone else who has just the thing you're looking for, and gives you an email address and a name for you to contact.
Ok, now what to look out for: the person sending you that PM has most likely only ever made exactly one post here (and if you happen to look it up, it's in a random thread only saying something like "Cool" or "Thanks", etc. - never anything substantial or more than two or three words)
3.) Once you contact that Email address and inquire about your item, you'll receive pictures of the item you are looking for via email.
What to look out for: google the item you want by using what you wrote in your wanted add / email. Chances are you will find the exact same pictures on Google that you just got via email.
4.) You'll be told all kinds of reasons why you cannot pay via PayPal Goods&Services, but only via the Friends&Family option - or to use a completely different payment service.
Why is that? PayPal does not offer refunds when paying via Friends&Family, just as most other payment services - you'll not get any money back once you payed.
5.) You pay via such a service and... you'll of course never receive the item you wanted.
6.) You come here and report user name and email...
But you could have recognized and stopped this whole thing long before. The method is old and doesn't change. There are enough warnings posted about what to do/not to do. But it is oh so tempting, to find the item you've been wanting and for a good price... No time to read!...must!... hurry!... must have this!
Always remember: rctech.net is a free and open internet forum that can be accessed worldwide, so in this regard rctech.net is not safer than any other internet site out there. Keep in mind: this not your local hobby store or racetrack. And not everyone who is signed on here is automatically a friendly and helpful guy you share a hobby with. In fact these scammers are likely located in an entirely different country, probably even on a different continent half a world away (without you ever realizing), and never had anything to do with RC in their entire life. And yet you still trust them enough to use payment services without refund options? Please think before you act.
So far, many people come running to this section here to report the user name and the email address of the person who scammed them (either successfully or a least tried to), both as a warning to others and so that the account gets banned. If you did so, you have pretty much wasted your time, I'm afraid.
Why? Well, first because most people are too trusting to check here before it's too late anyway and second the scammers' accounts will not get banned.
See, both an account on rctech and a new free email address are created with only a handful of clicks. So when a scammer's account gets burned, a new one will be back in no time. So neither posting their names here nor banning their account will do much (if anything) to their operation, except set them back a minute or two.
So what should people do instead?
The good thing is, you don't need to know the user name or email of a scammer to protect yourself. It's not the name you need to look out for, it's their modus operandi (M.O.), which unlike their account doesn't change. So just understand how this works and you'll recognize it early enough to stop it from working on you.
So how does it work?
1.) You actually start the whole process by posting an add in the "Wanted" section of the forum.
2.) Someone writes to you via PM that he knows someone else who has just the thing you're looking for, and gives you an email address and a name for you to contact.
Ok, now what to look out for: the person sending you that PM has most likely only ever made exactly one post here (and if you happen to look it up, it's in a random thread only saying something like "Cool" or "Thanks", etc. - never anything substantial or more than two or three words)
3.) Once you contact that Email address and inquire about your item, you'll receive pictures of the item you are looking for via email.
What to look out for: google the item you want by using what you wrote in your wanted add / email. Chances are you will find the exact same pictures on Google that you just got via email.
4.) You'll be told all kinds of reasons why you cannot pay via PayPal Goods&Services, but only via the Friends&Family option - or to use a completely different payment service.
Why is that? PayPal does not offer refunds when paying via Friends&Family, just as most other payment services - you'll not get any money back once you payed.
5.) You pay via such a service and... you'll of course never receive the item you wanted.
6.) You come here and report user name and email...
But you could have recognized and stopped this whole thing long before. The method is old and doesn't change. There are enough warnings posted about what to do/not to do. But it is oh so tempting, to find the item you've been wanting and for a good price... No time to read!...must!... hurry!... must have this!
Always remember: rctech.net is a free and open internet forum that can be accessed worldwide, so in this regard rctech.net is not safer than any other internet site out there. Keep in mind: this not your local hobby store or racetrack. And not everyone who is signed on here is automatically a friendly and helpful guy you share a hobby with. In fact these scammers are likely located in an entirely different country, probably even on a different continent half a world away (without you ever realizing), and never had anything to do with RC in their entire life. And yet you still trust them enough to use payment services without refund options? Please think before you act.
04-13-2023, 09:30 PM
#6
Tech Master
iTrader: (204)
That would be simple, but I seem to search the wanted section seeing if their is something cool wanted out their or have even posted on their looking for a specific item, to me and my only opinion it's way faster to ask than check every couple of minutes every day all day to never find one, and all it takes is to do it quick check on the seller, if you cannot take the minutes to check them out then its on you and only you,
04-14-2023, 06:54 AM
#7
To preface: I do wholeheartedly agree and abide by all sensibleness and direction provided.
For clarification purposes only...
Marcos direction remains on this post to report:
"3.If someone asks for payment via friends and family/gift. Report them immediately."
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Are you specifically referring to the futility of posting on the dispute forum about them?
For clarification purposes only...
Marcos direction remains on this post to report:
"3.If someone asks for payment via friends and family/gift. Report them immediately."
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Are you specifically referring to the futility of posting on the dispute forum about them?
04-14-2023, 08:16 AM
#8
As far as I know, reporting does not lead to any action against the offender. So that rule is a bit superfluous IMO. I rewrote it a bit:
"3.If someone asks for payment via friends and family/gift,Report them immediately we recommend you to not go on with this transaction, or proceed at your own risk!"
All that reporting anyone here achieves is a "warning" to other people (at best) - who will likely read it too late (i.e. after having already been scammed). However, people who are aware of how the scam works and follow a few simple precautions anytime money is concerned on the internet, don't need to know any user specific user names or email addresses, as they will recognize it for what it is and then avoid the trap.
"3.If someone asks for payment via friends and family/gift,
All that reporting anyone here achieves is a "warning" to other people (at best) - who will likely read it too late (i.e. after having already been scammed). However, people who are aware of how the scam works and follow a few simple precautions anytime money is concerned on the internet, don't need to know any user specific user names or email addresses, as they will recognize it for what it is and then avoid the trap.
04-14-2023, 11:37 AM
#9
To preface: I do wholeheartedly agree and abide by all sensibleness and direction provided.
For clarification purposes only...
Marcos direction remains on this post to report:
"3.If someone asks for payment via friends and family/gift. Report them immediately."
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Are you specifically referring to the futility of posting on the dispute forum about them?
For clarification purposes only...
Marcos direction remains on this post to report:
"3.If someone asks for payment via friends and family/gift. Report them immediately."
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Are you specifically referring to the futility of posting on the dispute forum about them?
04-14-2023, 11:40 AM
#10
To preface: I do wholeheartedly agree and abide by all sensibleness and direction provided.
For clarification purposes only...
Marcos direction remains on this post to report:
"3.If someone asks for payment via friends and family/gift. Report them immediately."
Want to buy ads **Please Read**
Are you specifically referring to the futility of posting on the dispute forum about them?
For clarification purposes only...
Marcos direction remains on this post to report:
"3.If someone asks for payment via friends and family/gift. Report them immediately."
Want to buy ads **Please Read**
Are you specifically referring to the futility of posting on the dispute forum about them?
05-05-2023, 10:50 AM
#12
Posting all the accounts/emails of scammers here will not help though. First of all, it'll end up being too many to be of much use (i.e. people won't find the one they're dealing with because it'll get lost in sheer numbers - or because they guy uses a fresh account, etc.. Also, people reading this section, looking for possible scammers, usually either already know about the scam itself... or have just fallen for it and look for confirmation that something is indeed wrong. You will however succeed in pissing some of the mods of.
*) situation reminds of something that is happening around here. Scumbags target elderly people on the phone or by texting by at least three different methods:
1.) They pretend to be one of their grand children or even grand grand children and being in some financial trouble and they'd send a friend over who'd come over and collect the money.
2.) They pretend to be either a banker or policeman and they warn the person that they have either learned of a planned robbery or burglary either at their home or their bank, and ask these people to collect all their money (withdraw cash from accounts, etc.) and all their valuables like jewelry, etc. and hand it over to someone they send (sometimes not even personally but by dropping it somewhere (like in a spy novel) or hang it out of their windows by a rope...)
3.) They pretend to be a son or daughter, completely in shock and up in tears, telling them they caused an accident in which somebody got killed and then they pretend to hand over to someone from the "police" or some "prosecutor" who convince them that unless they pay bail, their child will remain in jail, making people to cash in all they have to get their child free... and we don't even have any bail system here at all. Has to come from watching American TV shows and movies...
All these tricks are constantly in the media with warnings after people have lost five or even six figure sums of Euros. And I don't mean only online, but in the local newspapers, etc. - every possible media outlet you can imagine, so there's tons and tons of warnings. And still people fall for it on a regular basis.
05-05-2023, 11:04 AM
#13
Scammers, those nasty people who try to cheat you out of your money... yes, they exist, and yes they are even here on rctech.net.
So far, many people come running to this section here to report the user name and the email address of the person who scammed them (either successfully or a least tried to), both as a warning to others and so that the account gets banned. If you did so, you have pretty much wasted your time, I'm afraid.
Why? Well, first because most people are too trusting to check here before it's too late anyway and second the scammers' accounts will not get banned.
See, both an account on rctech and a new free email address are created with only a handful of clicks. So when a scammer's account gets burned, a new one will be back in no time. So neither posting their names here nor banning their account will do much (if anything) to their operation, except set them back a minute or two.
So what should people do instead?
The good thing is, you don't need to know the user name or email of a scammer to protect yourself. It's not the name you need to look out for, it's their modus operandi (M.O.), which unlike their account doesn't change. So just understand how this works and you'll recognize it early enough to stop it from working on you.
So how does it work?
1.) You actually start the whole process by posting an add in the "Wanted" section of the forum.
2.) Someone writes to you via PM that he knows someone else who has just the thing you're looking for, and gives you an email address and a name for you to contact.
Ok, now what to look out for: the person sending you that PM has most likely only ever made exactly one post here (and if you happen to look it up, it's in a random thread only saying something like "Cool" or "Thanks", etc. - never anything substantial or more than two or three words)
3.) Once you contact that Email address and inquire about your item, you'll receive pictures of the item you are looking for via email.
What to look out for: google the item you want by using what you wrote in your wanted add / email. Chances are you will find the exact same pictures on Google that you just got via email.
4.) You'll be told all kinds of reasons why you cannot pay via PayPal Goods&Services, but only via the Friends&Family option - or to use a completely different payment service.
Why is that? PayPal does not offer refunds when paying via Friends&Family, just as most other payment services - you'll not get any money back once you payed.
5.) You pay via such a service and... you'll of course never receive the item you wanted.
6.) You come here and report user name and email...
But you could have recognized and stopped this whole thing long before. The method is old and doesn't change. There are enough warnings posted about what to do/not to do. But it is oh so tempting, to find the item you've been wanting and for a good price... No time to read!...must!... hurry!... must have this!
Always remember: rctech.net is a free and open internet forum that can be accessed worldwide, so in this regard rctech.net is not safer than any other internet site out there. Keep in mind: this not your local hobby store or racetrack. And not everyone who is signed on here is automatically a friendly and helpful guy you share a hobby with. In fact these scammers are likely located in an entirely different country, probably even on a different continent half a world away (without you ever realizing), and never had anything to do with RC in their entire life. And yet you still trust them enough to use payment services without refund options? Please think before you act.
So far, many people come running to this section here to report the user name and the email address of the person who scammed them (either successfully or a least tried to), both as a warning to others and so that the account gets banned. If you did so, you have pretty much wasted your time, I'm afraid.
Why? Well, first because most people are too trusting to check here before it's too late anyway and second the scammers' accounts will not get banned.
See, both an account on rctech and a new free email address are created with only a handful of clicks. So when a scammer's account gets burned, a new one will be back in no time. So neither posting their names here nor banning their account will do much (if anything) to their operation, except set them back a minute or two.
So what should people do instead?
The good thing is, you don't need to know the user name or email of a scammer to protect yourself. It's not the name you need to look out for, it's their modus operandi (M.O.), which unlike their account doesn't change. So just understand how this works and you'll recognize it early enough to stop it from working on you.
So how does it work?
1.) You actually start the whole process by posting an add in the "Wanted" section of the forum.
2.) Someone writes to you via PM that he knows someone else who has just the thing you're looking for, and gives you an email address and a name for you to contact.
Ok, now what to look out for: the person sending you that PM has most likely only ever made exactly one post here (and if you happen to look it up, it's in a random thread only saying something like "Cool" or "Thanks", etc. - never anything substantial or more than two or three words)
3.) Once you contact that Email address and inquire about your item, you'll receive pictures of the item you are looking for via email.
What to look out for: google the item you want by using what you wrote in your wanted add / email. Chances are you will find the exact same pictures on Google that you just got via email.
4.) You'll be told all kinds of reasons why you cannot pay via PayPal Goods&Services, but only via the Friends&Family option - or to use a completely different payment service.
Why is that? PayPal does not offer refunds when paying via Friends&Family, just as most other payment services - you'll not get any money back once you payed.
5.) You pay via such a service and... you'll of course never receive the item you wanted.
6.) You come here and report user name and email...
But you could have recognized and stopped this whole thing long before. The method is old and doesn't change. There are enough warnings posted about what to do/not to do. But it is oh so tempting, to find the item you've been wanting and for a good price... No time to read!...must!... hurry!... must have this!
Always remember: rctech.net is a free and open internet forum that can be accessed worldwide, so in this regard rctech.net is not safer than any other internet site out there. Keep in mind: this not your local hobby store or racetrack. And not everyone who is signed on here is automatically a friendly and helpful guy you share a hobby with. In fact these scammers are likely located in an entirely different country, probably even on a different continent half a world away (without you ever realizing), and never had anything to do with RC in their entire life. And yet you still trust them enough to use payment services without refund options? Please think before you act.
this post wins the rctech award for excellence
05-05-2023, 11:06 AM
#14