Bob Burbage Memorial Race Day 2009, Sydney RC (Ryde)
08-09-2009, 05:49 AM
#1
Bob Burbage Memorial Race Day 2009, Sydney RC (Ryde)
Well, it's only 3 months away, so it's time start discussing this year's Bob Burbage Memorial race, and with it, the continued shaping of standardised vintage off road racing.
Emerging from the success that was Sydney RC's 25th anniversary meeting earlier this year, was the overwhelming desire for, as Darryn coined it, a "Plastic Fantastic" class.
Whether or not it is an overwrite of the categories formally known as 2WD & 4WD Sportsman, which allowed the use of either Mabuchi RS540s, the equivalent Johnson motor and the Sports Tuned 540 "Black Motor", or it becomes an identiy unto it's self.
As a personal note, I feel the "Plastic" term is a little limiting, if taken literally. The earliest offroaders (Tamiya Special Racing Buggy series and the Kyosho Scorpion and Tomahawk in particular) have little plastic, but I feel they belong in this category, as their performance is much more on par with Frogs, Hunters and other oldies with limited suspension and narrow tracks. These buggies are the essence and the foundation of off road rc as we know it, and I don't think deserve to be thrown to the Topcats and Ultimas.
Also, is there enough interest in a Vintage truck class?. There were a couple present last time. Should we consider dropping "Funcars", and replacing it with the more generic "Big wheel" class to accommodate the King Cabs, Outlaw Ultima/Raider, JRXT, RC10T, and so forth?
Let's get the discussion rolling, and make this biggest vintage meet since, well, 1990
Emerging from the success that was Sydney RC's 25th anniversary meeting earlier this year, was the overwhelming desire for, as Darryn coined it, a "Plastic Fantastic" class.
Whether or not it is an overwrite of the categories formally known as 2WD & 4WD Sportsman, which allowed the use of either Mabuchi RS540s, the equivalent Johnson motor and the Sports Tuned 540 "Black Motor", or it becomes an identiy unto it's self.
As a personal note, I feel the "Plastic" term is a little limiting, if taken literally. The earliest offroaders (Tamiya Special Racing Buggy series and the Kyosho Scorpion and Tomahawk in particular) have little plastic, but I feel they belong in this category, as their performance is much more on par with Frogs, Hunters and other oldies with limited suspension and narrow tracks. These buggies are the essence and the foundation of off road rc as we know it, and I don't think deserve to be thrown to the Topcats and Ultimas.
Also, is there enough interest in a Vintage truck class?. There were a couple present last time. Should we consider dropping "Funcars", and replacing it with the more generic "Big wheel" class to accommodate the King Cabs, Outlaw Ultima/Raider, JRXT, RC10T, and so forth?
Let's get the discussion rolling, and make this biggest vintage meet since, well, 1990
08-09-2009, 06:08 AM
#2
I think the idea of the fun class being dropped and replaced with an early buggy class which would be for all the non competition type buggies i.e. hornets,hunter etc and early buggies such as srb etc as pointed out these cars arnt competitive with rc10s,etc.
This would make for closer racing in the classes and possibly bring out drivers who would otherwise leave their 'not so competeive cars' on the shelf.
This would make for closer racing in the classes and possibly bring out drivers who would otherwise leave their 'not so competeive cars' on the shelf.
08-09-2009, 06:51 AM
#4
Certainly a week end long event would:
*make interstate/intercontinental travel worth while
* Allow more classes to be added without removing ones that still have a following
* Let the sunday become -
. a finals day (or 1 heat each and the finals), finishing in time for a daylight presentation and socialisation, with heats on the sat.
. worst case scenario, a rain day
I personally realise that some guys run "post evolution" for lack of a better term (i.e. long arms, big shocks & similar design to current buggies, the sort that appeared before/for the 87 Worlds) buggies in Sportsman. I think it would a not so good idea to can the class, but when you take out the FAV/Wild Ones, and all the other "plastics", it could be asked "Is the class still viable?"
I think so.
For example, up until now I have had to choose between my Fox (personal fav.) and my RC10 (obvious performer) if I wanted to run 2WD Sportsman. With the new "plastic" or "geriatric" class, I could run both, and a lot of other people could too. I imagine for every Cat, Ultima and RC10 in Sportsman, the same guys have a Hotshot, Superchamp and Galaxy sitting back home, because it is outclassed.
Even though the 1987-91 cars deserve to be regarded as vintage, we don't want to shun the 1978-86 pre - evolution cars, to which, this is their day (and Bob's, of course).
Ok, that's my opinion. Your turn
*make interstate/intercontinental travel worth while
* Allow more classes to be added without removing ones that still have a following
* Let the sunday become -
. a finals day (or 1 heat each and the finals), finishing in time for a daylight presentation and socialisation, with heats on the sat.
. worst case scenario, a rain day
I personally realise that some guys run "post evolution" for lack of a better term (i.e. long arms, big shocks & similar design to current buggies, the sort that appeared before/for the 87 Worlds) buggies in Sportsman. I think it would a not so good idea to can the class, but when you take out the FAV/Wild Ones, and all the other "plastics", it could be asked "Is the class still viable?"
I think so.
For example, up until now I have had to choose between my Fox (personal fav.) and my RC10 (obvious performer) if I wanted to run 2WD Sportsman. With the new "plastic" or "geriatric" class, I could run both, and a lot of other people could too. I imagine for every Cat, Ultima and RC10 in Sportsman, the same guys have a Hotshot, Superchamp and Galaxy sitting back home, because it is outclassed.
Even though the 1987-91 cars deserve to be regarded as vintage, we don't want to shun the 1978-86 pre - evolution cars, to which, this is their day (and Bob's, of course).
Ok, that's my opinion. Your turn
Last edited by Badmuthatrucker; 08-09-2009 at 07:27 AM.
08-09-2009, 04:03 PM
#5
Well, it's only 3 months away, so it's time start discussing this year's Bob Burbage Memorial race, and with it, the continued shaping of standardised vintage off road racing.
Emerging from the success that was Sydney RC's 25th anniversary meeting earlier this year, was the overwhelming desire for, as Darryn coined it, a "Plastic Fantastic" class.
Whether or not it is an overwrite of the categories formally known as 2WD & 4WD Sportsman, which allowed the use of either Mabuchi RS540s, the equivalent Johnson motor and the Sports Tuned 540 "Black Motor", or it becomes an identiy unto it's self.
As a personal note, I feel the "Plastic" term is a little limiting, if taken literally. The earliest offroaders (Tamiya Special Racing Buggy series and the Kyosho Scorpion and Tomahawk in particular) have little plastic, but I feel they belong in this category, as their performance is much more on par with Frogs, Hunters and other oldies with limited suspension and narrow tracks. These buggies are the essence and the foundation of off road rc as we know it, and I don't think deserve to be thrown to the Topcats and Ultimas.
Also, is there enough interest in a Vintage truck class?. There were a couple present last time. Should we consider dropping "Funcars", and replacing it with the more generic "Big wheel" class to accommodate the King Cabs, Outlaw Ultima/Raider, JRXT, RC10T, and so forth?
Let's get the discussion rolling, and make this biggest vintage meet since, well, 1990
Emerging from the success that was Sydney RC's 25th anniversary meeting earlier this year, was the overwhelming desire for, as Darryn coined it, a "Plastic Fantastic" class.
Whether or not it is an overwrite of the categories formally known as 2WD & 4WD Sportsman, which allowed the use of either Mabuchi RS540s, the equivalent Johnson motor and the Sports Tuned 540 "Black Motor", or it becomes an identiy unto it's self.
As a personal note, I feel the "Plastic" term is a little limiting, if taken literally. The earliest offroaders (Tamiya Special Racing Buggy series and the Kyosho Scorpion and Tomahawk in particular) have little plastic, but I feel they belong in this category, as their performance is much more on par with Frogs, Hunters and other oldies with limited suspension and narrow tracks. These buggies are the essence and the foundation of off road rc as we know it, and I don't think deserve to be thrown to the Topcats and Ultimas.
Also, is there enough interest in a Vintage truck class?. There were a couple present last time. Should we consider dropping "Funcars", and replacing it with the more generic "Big wheel" class to accommodate the King Cabs, Outlaw Ultima/Raider, JRXT, RC10T, and so forth?
Let's get the discussion rolling, and make this biggest vintage meet since, well, 1990
- I was going to call Roman and the guys about this meeting this week.You all know my views on what I think is fair. Plastic fantastics should have their own class - but ONLY if there are enough of them to justify the heat (3 simply is not enough).
For what it is worth - I think the "FUN"class is redundant at a race meeting (putting on flame proof suit now!
)- as very few clubs actually raced that class back in the day. Sure it is good for a laugh at lunch time - but I think the time spent having a "class" for the Fun cars would be better spent on a truck or other deserving class like the plastic fantastic (how about "Backyard Warrior" class!! ) - again - only if the entries supported this.Just finshed nightshift - going to bed, really happy there is some discussion going again.
Cheers
Darryn
08-09-2009, 04:32 PM
#6
Yeah, interest in Fun cars really died in the arse, didn't it? ...... 
I have to admit, driving that Pumpkin was more excruciating than fun, though.
Well, I will now slap down my pledge of entey:
2WD Sportsman/Plastic: Fox
4WD Sportsman/Plastic: Boomerang
Vintage Trucks: Hilux Monster Racer
...... I have to admit, driving that Pumpkin was more excruciating than fun, though.
Well, I will now slap down my pledge of entey:
2WD Sportsman/Plastic: Fox
4WD Sportsman/Plastic: Boomerang
Vintage Trucks: Hilux Monster Racer
08-09-2009, 04:38 PM
#7
What the hell,
2wd sportsman - Losi JRX / Ultima Pro / RC10
2wd "backyard warrior" - Fox or Frog or hornet or Wild One or Hunter or.....ahh you know!
4wd sportsman - Legend / Mini Mustang
4wd Open - Optima Mid / Legend / Incident / Zerda
Pipe Frame - Bulldog
If the truck class gets up and running - I may well have a crack at that too.
I will go all out I always complain that I have no time - but I always regret not running more!:
Damn I need some sleep!
Later guys!
Darryn
P.S - BMT - where is your RC10 entry??????????
2wd sportsman - Losi JRX / Ultima Pro / RC10
2wd "backyard warrior" - Fox or Frog or hornet or Wild One or Hunter or.....ahh you know!
4wd sportsman - Legend / Mini Mustang
4wd Open - Optima Mid / Legend / Incident / Zerda
Pipe Frame - Bulldog
If the truck class gets up and running - I may well have a crack at that too.
I will go all out
I always complain that I have no time - but I always regret not running more!:Damn I need some sleep!
Later guys!
Darryn
P.S - BMT - where is your RC10 entry??????????
08-10-2009, 01:40 AM
#11
Here's a thought lads (of course this may be a bad thought, but its still a thought!)
How about we create a acceptable cars list now for the fantastic backyard plastic warriors entry starter class now? It occurs to me that one parameter that might decide eligibility is track. Most of the "comp" cars sit a good inch wider than the Wild Ones and Buggy Champs of the world.
We'd still have 2WD sportsman for the bearhawks and RC10s so nobody really misses out.
Have we got an exact date yet? I got a little confused about when this on will happen.
(BTW, I've done nothing about a site yet. Life has been getting in the way. I'm hoping to have something happen before the event.)
How about we create a acceptable cars list now for the fantastic backyard plastic warriors entry starter class now? It occurs to me that one parameter that might decide eligibility is track. Most of the "comp" cars sit a good inch wider than the Wild Ones and Buggy Champs of the world.
We'd still have 2WD sportsman for the bearhawks and RC10s so nobody really misses out.
Have we got an exact date yet? I got a little confused about when this on will happen.
(BTW, I've done nothing about a site yet. Life has been getting in the way. I'm hoping to have something happen before the event.)
Last edited by Capt_Splatt; 08-10-2009 at 01:41 AM. Reason: ingrish
08-10-2009, 02:18 AM
#12
I wouldn't say a Bearhawk is not quite the arch nemesis of the RC10, Dean
The only thing I can come up with against an illegibility list is that if we forget something.
Maybe just that it has to have been sold with a molded plastic tub chassis before and inclusive of December 91 and any buggy made before 84 (when the RC10 came out and things got serious) with any other material frame, but resembling stock configuration (i.e. No SRB's with Ultima fornt and rear ends, but composite trailing arms are fine)?
______________________________EDIT________________ ________________________________
Here is a suggestion:
Instead of "plasitc" class, what about "Classic" for a name?
It's a little more respectful, if nothing else.
The only thing I can come up with against an illegibility list is that if we forget something.
Maybe just that it has to have been sold with a molded plastic tub chassis before and inclusive of December 91 and any buggy made before 84 (when the RC10 came out and things got serious) with any other material frame, but resembling stock configuration (i.e. No SRB's with Ultima fornt and rear ends, but composite trailing arms are fine)?
______________________________EDIT________________ ________________________________
Here is a suggestion:
Instead of "plasitc" class, what about "Classic" for a name?
It's a little more respectful, if nothing else.
Last edited by Badmuthatrucker; 08-10-2009 at 02:41 AM.
08-10-2009, 02:54 AM
#14
Before others get to confused - we have been running cars that have been released PRIOR to December 1990 - not 91 in the vintage class.
I have attached the "official" list of cars that I prepared earlier in the year for the previous meeting. Please feel free to email me or post any cars that I have missed - I am sure you can think of some.
I think that pretty everything on the list other than the Ultima, JRX2/pro and the RC10 could be considered "classic" (I like that)!, I guess it comes down to the entries on the day and the choices of the owners - as I am sure that some people are more than happy to prove that the "plastic" car is more than a match for the more fancied cars.
Cheers
Darryn
in the vintage class. I have attached the "official" list of cars that I prepared earlier in the year for the previous meeting. Please feel free to email me or post any cars that I have missed - I am sure you can think of some.
I think that pretty everything on the list other than the Ultima, JRX2/pro and the RC10 could be considered "classic" (I like that)!, I guess it comes down to the entries on the day and the choices of the owners - as I am sure that some people are more than happy to prove that the "plastic" car is more than a match for the more fancied cars.
Cheers
Darryn
08-10-2009, 03:03 AM
#15
Having thought about it, as a separate category, maybe the Bearhawk, Fox, Falcon, etc aren't really in the same performance bracket as SRB's and stuff.
I don't know. It get's sticky. A Falcon could pants an SRB, but it is not a match for the Losi, AE ands Poomakers. J/K.
I don't know. It get's sticky. A Falcon could pants an SRB, but it is not a match for the Losi, AE ands Poomakers
. J/K.