cross entries...stock/mod..whats the deal?
#16
You brought up the reversing issue, so now it is on topic.
If you get stuck it is your fault. If someone runs into your crashed/stuck car that is usually their fault. Or, if there was no time to adjust their line to avoid you it is bad luck, but in this second instance reversing wouldn't have helped because there wouldn't have been time.
Without exception when I've seen people using reverse in a race they have unfairly caused accidents.
If you get stuck it is your fault. If someone runs into your crashed/stuck car that is usually their fault. Or, if there was no time to adjust their line to avoid you it is bad luck, but in this second instance reversing wouldn't have helped because there wouldn't have been time.
Without exception when I've seen people using reverse in a race they have unfairly caused accidents.
#17
well if club days allow cross entries, then its a non issue.
I have not been able to run in 2 class's since coming back into the sport. But I see the 'no cross entries' on entry forms. However now I have been told its at state's & national's level, it should have no bearing on me since im only interested in running at club meets.
So next race, I'll run 2wd mod, 4wd stock, trucks , and all in reverse
might need to change the location of the wing for downforce
I have not been able to run in 2 class's since coming back into the sport. But I see the 'no cross entries' on entry forms. However now I have been told its at state's & national's level, it should have no bearing on me since im only interested in running at club meets.
So next race, I'll run 2wd mod, 4wd stock, trucks , and all in reverse
might need to change the location of the wing for downforce
#19
roll cage would be nice so your car would never by upside down
#20
Tech Initiate
This is cheap coming from you who used reverse in the Truck final at last years NSW titles oh thats right you hit the barrier (barrier mesh) so hard that you didn't break but is pushed the car back 1.5 mtrs........BIG NO-NO hey Mikey
#21
Tech Elite
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mate i think you'll find you need your head read, i never used reverse at the states, you're the first person to ever mention anything like that, i dont recall that incident with the mesh, i remember hitting the concrete mound on the last turn chasing down jarod jackson who had the lap before taken out Keith Seyer and carried on driving (vic), anyway, that was a hard hit, certainly i thought something would have broken but it didnt (losi's are tough cars)and the car rolled back enough for me to hook it around the mound
#23
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Whether it's a clubbie or a National title the rules should be the same , by and large. Sure , some discretion may be used at club level but if a newbie went to a clubbie and a) used reverse and b) cross-entered.........then went to an AARCMCC or ORRCA race and couldn't do either.....wouldn't that be a tad confusing?
My 2 cents worth........
Shane
My 2 cents worth........
Shane
#24
correct me if im wrong, but at the last nationals, you could cross enter trucks (mod?), with any stock class's as well?
#25
Tech Master
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Cross Entry
I thought it was just titles. Some clubs may be large enough to follow this rule but not ours. Our club(onroad) has stock, s/stock, nitro and possibly mini (mo3). Because it is small in numbers we can run in any or every event. Great for the racing and very good experience. Offroad here is much the same.
Terry
Terry
#26
Tech Master
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It's true, if cross entries were allowed, you would likely get trophy hunters who can handle a 4W mod, but not a 2W, and so enter stock thinking their chances have improved, but as good drivers are good drivers, that might be arguable. As a stock racer (I'd prefer to exclusively race 540, but aparently not having to buy any tyres tyres makes you a nancy boy) I think it's completely fair enough to make a class choice and stick to it (I have to buy a few tyres, now. Dammit!!!).
Club days, anything goes. That's because club days are just fun racing, where it's not meant to matter so much.
Each class has it's own style, and plenty of stock racers could cut it in mod and vice versa, but that's not really the point. You race a class in off road, not a pair of cars. The cross entry in truck (I'm told) has been there to increase patronage, and I beleive that you can't cross enter down, only up if you go by letter of the rules [I'm going to be corrected if I'm wrong, so feel free]
As for the reversing thing.........something about if you have to ask
this is where I justify the rant by saying "my 20c worth"
Club days, anything goes. That's because club days are just fun racing, where it's not meant to matter so much.
Each class has it's own style, and plenty of stock racers could cut it in mod and vice versa, but that's not really the point. You race a class in off road, not a pair of cars. The cross entry in truck (I'm told) has been there to increase patronage, and I beleive that you can't cross enter down, only up if you go by letter of the rules [I'm going to be corrected if I'm wrong, so feel free]
As for the reversing thing.........something about if you have to ask
this is where I justify the rant by saying "my 20c worth"
#27
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Funny Ant, I know this Guy who won the '08 Vics in 2wd 540 with a 17 year old car holding off against B4's etc.
It must have been the car, because this Guy is slow, Troy even said so!
Personally, I'm fitting a Road ranger to the B44 so I can have multiple reversing speeds.
I hear Eaton do a discount for knox members.
It must have been the car, because this Guy is slow, Troy even said so!
Personally, I'm fitting a Road ranger to the B44 so I can have multiple reversing speeds.
I hear Eaton do a discount for knox members.
#28
Tech Champion
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Cross-entering between motor classes has always been fine at the Clubs I have been at. Partly because the numbers often aren't sufficient to run multiple 4wd (for example) classes. The one thing that can really make RC racing not fun is having no one to race against, so clubs usually do all they can to encourage as many entries as possible. Often experienced racers will race an older car in Stock just to give the younger guys someone to race against. I myself have a tradition of running my first RC car, a Tamiya Madcap at least once a year. If I've been racing Modified 2wd that season (as I have in the past) then I wouldn't stop running that just because I'm running the Tamiya that month.
I've always thought of it like this: The club meetings are for fun and experimentation, or for trying to get the hang of a faster class. Maybe you've just bought your first Modified motor and want to give Mod Truck a go while you keep racing 2wd Stock – that's cool. But when it comes time for the big meetings you pick your level and race it.
What makes the major meetings challenging and fun is that little bit of seriousness. In that situation it is entirely appropriate to ask a racer to nominate the level they feel they can race at. If you split classes at a major meeting you are effectively saying 'Hey I'm in this class to win, but I'm in this other class just to go around,' which isn't fair on those others who are taking the second class seriously.
I've always thought of it like this: The club meetings are for fun and experimentation, or for trying to get the hang of a faster class. Maybe you've just bought your first Modified motor and want to give Mod Truck a go while you keep racing 2wd Stock – that's cool. But when it comes time for the big meetings you pick your level and race it.
What makes the major meetings challenging and fun is that little bit of seriousness. In that situation it is entirely appropriate to ask a racer to nominate the level they feel they can race at. If you split classes at a major meeting you are effectively saying 'Hey I'm in this class to win, but I'm in this other class just to go around,' which isn't fair on those others who are taking the second class seriously.
#29
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Funny Ant, I know this Guy who won the '08 Vics in 2wd 540 with a 17 year old car holding off against B4's etc.
It must have been the car, because this Guy is slow, Troy even said so!
Personally, I'm fitting a Road ranger to the B44 so I can have multiple reversing speeds.
I hear Eaton do a discount for knox members.
It must have been the car, because this Guy is slow, Troy even said so!
Personally, I'm fitting a Road ranger to the B44 so I can have multiple reversing speeds.
I hear Eaton do a discount for knox members.
But yes, I'm slow. The master has spoken!