yep and the trakpower saddle lipos fit within those boundaries

yes it says two halves and the saddles have two halves. the rule does not say the lipo must be a single piece - hence saddles comply

Ben, anyone with a passable knowledge of the grammar of plurals in English and an ability to count will tell you that the TrackPower cells are made up of two (2) hard cases.

The problem is that the rules are phrased in the language of the singular when referring to the 'hard case'. No mention is made of multiple cases at any point.

Maybe the cells will be deemed legal, but that's not what the regulation says and they aren't on the approved list. The only conclusion we can draw from that is that they are not legal.

It doesn't matter how many posts Rick Howarth makes. What matters are the actions taken by the regulating body and the rules on (metaphorical) paper.

Not on the approved list? What list are you looking at?

http://www.roarracing.com/approvals/lipobattery.php

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"A factory encased hard shell pack is mandated for race durability" whilst you can interpret the rule in the singular it can also be interpreted individually thus resulting in multiple instances of hard shells.

I am not sure what Rick Howarth has to do with it?

As Michael says the trakpower cells are on the list so saddles are legal and comply...

benny he was referring to my mention of Ricks comments on another site regarding saddles.

"Team Associated is proud to announce that Rick Hohwart has been chosen as the Reedy Electric Department Manager. Rick will oversee all operations including new cell development"

Direct Contact with ROAR and its approved cells? Mentions another brand is legal and not theirs? Wow I dont know who to trust?:weird:

Which means basically the guy knows more than you Radio Active :)

Ok, I guess it could be the "Li - Poly Trakpower 4800 TP48002SSP" But its not immediately obvious that that is a saddle pack battery and I was rather hastily accepting of X5 Addict's post that they were not on the list.

autoset you shouldn't have to "trust" anyone. You should be able to read the rules and determine what is legal. The way they read at the moment a saddle pack LiPo is not allowed. However if Rick is overseeing the development of a product and there is a question over whether or not it is strictly legal then of course he is going to promote the idea that it is. Companies do this all the time, take RenaultF1's mass damper for example.

Quite possibly ROAR have ignored the wording of their own rule, this wouldn't surprise me. If AARCMCC were to copy the rule though, there is no guarantee they would do the same.

Ben, your sentence makes no sense to me. It seems to me like you and everyone else are trying really hard to read something into the rules as they are written that just isn't there.

If ROAR wanted to correct their rules to ensure that saddle pack LiPos were unequivocally regarded as legal all they would have to do is change 'hard case' for 'hard case(s)'. Seeing as how they haven't and that as you say the dimensions have been specified to "standardize pack dimensions in order for chassis manufacturers to now be able to design around a consistent set of fixed dimensions." it seems like they are not strictly legal. And that maybe ROAR even intended it that way.

For anyone who wants to see exactly the regulation we are discussing the ROAR rule book can be found at: http://www.roarracing.com/downloads/..._Rule_Book.pdf. The section on LiPo batteries starts on page 33.

we'll agree to disagree hey!

On the point of lipo's, It will be great to see the lipo cell approved and in action next year. It will certainly cut cell costs and even things out even more in all classes hopefully (as the latest gen IB and other brands have done).

It would be great to maybe have the approval "fast tracked". I feel that (an this is only my opinion) that having the approved lipo rule brought forward will be an advantage as I cant help shake the feeling of buying new cells now is a waste of time and money as I will put them straight in the bin when lipo is legalized.

As it stands, I need new cells, and I am having a really hard time shelling out enough cells for three classes, I am sure you would agree its a lot of money and its made even worse that I know good and well that I am buying old technology in the thousands of dollars just to put them on the shelf or in the bin in December. I am sure I am not the only one in this situation and honestly, I and probably others think its easier to sit the year out and wait for the new regs. Which may result in people leaving the sport and clubs losing out big time.

As far as the previous argument goes, its neither here nor there as we cant use them in a national perspective anyway! Which is a shame but its the way it goes huh!

Yeah, fair enough. That's probably a good idea. I've posted a question on the AARCMCC thread to Pete. So, hopefully some good will come from our disagreement and when the AARCMCC regulation comes in it won't be at all ambiguous.

Re the early adoption. I have some sympathy for your situation and I understand your dilemma. It sucks. Equally, you might have some sympathy for someone like me who has cells that are still good and wants to get the most out of them before they become obsolete, and who really can't afford financially an early adoption of LiPo technology. Having picked up new cells late last year, I just can't justify writing them off just yet.

Now, does anyone have any comment on the topic of the thread? Perhaps modified to ask what ultimate limit on capacity should we consider for NiMH cells? Or would we all like to be running longer races but fewer of them.

everyone has an opinion - interpretation is up to the reader. I am not trying to create anything out of the rules - I simply read it as a hard cover case. the rule book does not stipulate that the hard case has to be a contiguous single shell.

trakpower only make 1 4800mah pack and its the saddle. check the website for clarification. ROAR probably need to make it more obvious so no one needs to research anything and save us all debating the issue :)

I am pretty sure that as they list the trakpower 4800mah 2S2PSP as a legal battery its unequivocal that they can be used :)

For some reason I thought you stated it, but my mistake:( I am dosed up to the eyeballs with flu medication, the world is spinning....:confused::sweat:

Was looking all through the redtube site MH, couldn't find it ANYWHERE!!!!:sweat:

Legalising Lipos would not have any effect on people still using Nimh's. Nimh's will still be more than competitive in most if not all cases (if you had used Lipos you would know this). All it will do is make it cheaper for people once there current Nimh need replacing. They may well choose to stay with Nimh but at least they would have a choice. By the way your cells you got late last year are already obsolete haven't you seen the 4600 Nimh's.