Hypocritical or is it because so much irrelivant crap has been said one forgets what has been stated??

Yep, That doesnt make sense does it. I was obvioulsy wrong when I said that.

Zapping still increaes the cells voltage compared to Raw High Voltage cells. I was making an assumtion again on what a High voltage cell means from the manufacturer. Now I know all it means is lower internal resistance than common NiMH cells. I thought it meant they were zapping them.


Charles

Now this is just totaly confusing. What have the experts said that I disagree with ?. You are not even reading my posts. I already have 3 IB packs. And have said I would race with them.

The most obvious thing the experts have said that I diss-agree with is the outragious comment that Sanyo cells are Junk. They are saying this without offering any proof whatsoever. At least I am doing my own tests and offering proof of their manufactured Quality. Just because the IB4200 cell performs better on the track is not proof that Sanyo cells are junk. It only prooves the IB4200 are higher capacity. Which in turn directly increases track performance.

As for posting miss-information. Maybe some of my information is wrong, But certainly not the test results I have posted. Unless someone does the tests for themselves how can they comment on that !.

Their has also been some miss-information from the other side as well. It is certainly not miss-information that Sanyo make a better "Quality" cell. And it is certainly not miss-information that the IB4200 is the "Best performer" on the track. And it is certainly not miss-information that the vast majority of cells exploding violently are IB cells.

As per IB's web page these cells were not designed for RC Racing. As apposed to Sanyo that make cells Specificaly for this use. Remember Sanyo make 3 differant cells for 3 differant uses. IB just make the one cell. A general purpose cell.


Charles

Two years ago ?..... Roar only approved the IB4200 on the 01/01/07. And IFMAR approved then sometime in 2006. I think it was July ?

Not everyone is using IB4200's. I bet if you took a poll you find many people are still using 3600 or 3700 cells. The local track to me still has a 3800 limit.

Hehehehe, Using a 3600 in a glider !.... Maybe you better do what I did and do some reading on the RC Plane forums. Certainly in a Powered boat the Weight is not the major factor. But in a powered plane it is Everything.


Charles

batteries
 

Just a question on 4200s wc batteries.
Has anyone noticed how quick a 4200 cell goes down in voltage from just sitting around after equalising and also after giving it a small charge in prep before the next race meeting?
They shouldnt fall below .90 v ????
I was surprised

I have also noticed this. It probably explains why when purchasing IB cells they are low in voltage. Even New standard Raw cells (Not old stock that has been sitting around). They seem to have a Very high self discharge rate.

Letting a NiMH cell drop below 0.9 volts can reduce its capacity. Very easy for anyone to test. The GP3700's that I bought had already dropped to 0.5 volts. This lead to %60 capacity, Even after cycling several times. And the IB4200 matched set I bought, 2 were Zero and 4 were very low.

It took 5 years for my Sanyo RC3000's to drop down to 0.6 volts. They are now on %66 capacity. Thats why I started buying new cells. The NiCD's I let sit for 5 years were still at 1 volt and still had %100 capacity after a few cycles. I was very surprised.

It was the quality of the new cells I purchased that started this thread.


Charles

Once again you can be summarised as "ignorance is bliss"

My comments about the batteries were about SC3600 cell so why are you quoting approval dates for IB4200 cells? WE first saw IB3600 cells around March 2005 and were quickly replaced by IB3800 cells. Approval dates have nothing to do with availability. If you knew anything you were talking about you would know that ROAR only approves once a year and therefore can be nearly a year behind release dates. As for IFMAR, they only do approval lists to match impending World titles.

Doing a poll at the tracks. I am willing to take you on here. The majority of cells at the track will be IB4200 cells followed by IB3800 then GP3700. The IB3600 cell will finish a distant last alongside the GP3300 cell because it has not been the major race cell for a long time. Your local track has a 3800 limit. Good chance most drivers are using the IB3800 cell because it had a massive jump in voltage compared to the IB3600 cells

Planes .... well why do flight guys insist on only purchasing the IB4200? Because these cells are the only ones that provide them with the massive power that they want. Other cells do not have the ability to surrender the amps at such a high rate. Once again you have no idea.

I really do not know why I continue to answer your rubbish. Perhaps the "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing" syndrome that you suffer from annoys me. :D

Charles, please just give it up. The misinformation (sorry misleading ) crap that you are posting is detrimental to the information needed by racers

Well thank goodness for that. I got a response. I thought there must have been something wrong with the bait I was putting on my hook.

RE: "What have the experts said that I disagree with ?"
Read their responses you idiot!

RE: "You are not even reading my posts."
OH, DER!!!! They were funny at first because they were so stupid, but they have just got so mindlessly repetative! You have ended up being a bit like a stand up comic who has run out of material. Very disappointing! So if I need to destroy brain cells, I'll do it with alcohol rather than reading all the way through your twaddle, if that is alright by you.

I hope that like you, nothing I have added to this thread has contained useful information.

And finally for the time being, just because I know how much you are in denial:

Sanyo cells are Junk!

Actually based upon certain scientific experiments it appears that Sanyo cells can compete with the best of them when used in your TVs remote control. Although down on runtime i think you will find that the average voltage will be more than competitive to ensure that you are able to change channels to within a range of a .5 second response. Maintaining your viewing pleasure for next to no price saving.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

quote" Actually based upon certain scientific experiments it appears that Sanyo cells can compete with the best of them when used in your TVs remote control. Although down on runtime i think you will find that the average voltage will be more than competitive to ensure that you are able to change channels to within a range of a .5 second response. Maintaining your viewing pleasure for next to no price saving. "unquote


GOLD!!! And OWNED!!

I think the reason you keep answering and pushing IB cells is purly because that is what you make your income from. And knowing how cheap the IB's are directly from the manufacturer in large quantities you are making a Huge profit on them. I wouldn't expect any other comments. So far you have posted absolutly no proof that what I am saying is so wrong. And words alone mean nothing.....

Some of your replies look more like Advertisments for your product rather than anything meaningfull.

And you are showing your ignorance about planes. Saying that maybe Gliders might be using 3600 mAh cells. How about you try 300 mAh cells. Obviously you are just talking total crap and have not ready anything from the RC Plane forums.

Even a 3600 mAh cell is very large cell for RC Electric planes. The Zagi wings are only using around a 1400 mAh pack. Not even Sub C's. They are using 3/2 AA cells.


Sorry, But now I am sinking to your level.... Shame on me. Naughty boy !...


Charles

And you are calling my messages garbage. I asked a legit question and all you could do is reply with a dozen lines of absolutly nothing.

Read their responses...... And ?.... Responses like "Sanyo are Junk" is totaly meaningless without any proof offered at all. And the reason their is no proof offered is because that statement is completly unfounded. At least I am trying to offer proof of what I am saying. When they say the IB4200 is the best performer on the track. I agree %100 with that. So I cant find what else they are saying that I diss-agree with. Thats why I asked you to point it out to me.


Charles

I am glad to see some people can see the funny side of this.


Charles

It just goes to show how much differant track can vary in what cells they are using. My local track does have a number of people using the IB4200 for practice (Because they are not legal to run with) then their are GP's, Sanyo's and all other brands you can think of.

I was not referring to a Poll at the tracks. I was referring to a Poll on an RC forum like this one. That means including everyone. Cars, Boats, Planes etc.


Charles