Breakout Racing: The Ultimate Spec Class!!!
#121
Tech Initiate
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You're a brave guy loaning out touring cars. There are a whole lot of things to break on those! But there's no beating 4WD on a parking lot track. ANY action for an old race car is better than sitting in a closet or on a shelf. Ain't it great that you can still have fun, and help promote the hobby, using "recycled" stuff?
They are outfitted with GTX speedos, P2k motors, and 2000mAh stick packs!
#122
Alternatively, you can add a small screw into the pistol grip, under the trigger, to serve as a stop for travel. Adjust the length of screw protruding from the pistol grip to change the throttle endpoint.
If the announcer or computer does not announce lap times, you'll need to check after the race to see how much adjustment you need.
By the way, one of our local racers has modified the Flipside scoring program so that the computer will automatically call out "Breakout", the driver's name, and the offending lap time. It's really slick!
#123
Tech Legend
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At the track I frequent, we strictly run VTA/25.5 or 21.5 open manufacture blinky ESC(most guys are sticking to USVTA rules) VTA body and tires of course using break out. This has refreshed a COMPLETELY dead touring car class. We also run an open class for those not wanting VTA. The breakout class is by far now the biggest class with over 25 regular shows between Friday nights and Saturdays every week. They also run 7s nascar and 8s nastruck on a banked tri-oval. I've seen guys run 20+ laps within hundreths of a second of each other. great racing but oval just not for me no matter how fast it is.
The VTA class raised enough money so the shop would expand the track. That is in the planning stages as I type. Breakout is not as easy as it looks.
The VTA class raised enough money so the shop would expand the track. That is in the planning stages as I type. Breakout is not as easy as it looks.
#124
At the track I frequent, we strictly run VTA/25.5 or 21.5 open manufacture blinky ESC(most guys are sticking to USVTA rules) VTA body and tires of course using break out. This has refreshed a COMPLETELY dead touring car class. We also run an open class for those not wanting VTA. The breakout class is by far now the biggest class with over 25 regular shows between Friday nights and Saturdays every week. They also run 7s nascar and 8s nastruck on a banked tri-oval. I've seen guys run 20+ laps within hundreths of a second of each other. great racing but oval just not for me no matter how fast it is.
The VTA class raised enough money so the shop would expand the track. That is in the planning stages as I type. Breakout is not as easy as it looks.
The VTA class raised enough money so the shop would expand the track. That is in the planning stages as I type. Breakout is not as easy as it looks.
You're right, winning at Breakout is not easy at all. It's like playing Blackjack with a three-deck shoe.
#125
Tech Initiate
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We raced at Hobbytown Centennial today and I got to run my mini in the breakout class again. What a blast!
I found another challenge to breakout!
I had set my throttle endpoint to 90% and I was running laps that were 18s (right at the breakout point) in practice. Then we started racing and all of a sudden I tightened up my line and started breaking out! I had to pull over and turn down the endpoint to 85%. That'll teach me to practice like I race.
I found another challenge to breakout!
I had set my throttle endpoint to 90% and I was running laps that were 18s (right at the breakout point) in practice. Then we started racing and all of a sudden I tightened up my line and started breaking out! I had to pull over and turn down the endpoint to 85%. That'll teach me to practice like I race.
#126
We raced at Hobbytown Centennial today and I got to run my mini in the breakout class again. What a blast!
I found another challenge to breakout!
I had set my throttle endpoint to 90% and I was running laps that were 18s (right at the breakout point) in practice. Then we started racing and all of a sudden I tightened up my line and started breaking out! I had to pull over and turn down the endpoint to 85%. That'll teach me to practice like I race.
I found another challenge to breakout!
I had set my throttle endpoint to 90% and I was running laps that were 18s (right at the breakout point) in practice. Then we started racing and all of a sudden I tightened up my line and started breaking out! I had to pull over and turn down the endpoint to 85%. That'll teach me to practice like I race.
Watching other cars while you are marshalling can also lead to breaking out: I once marshalled a particularly challenging corner, and observed one of our local fast guys taking a much different line than I had been using. I gave it a try when the Breakout heat ran, and immediately gained about 0.1 second per lap... which was a bit too fast!
The track can also get faster as the day progresses, but this varies with the surface. Let us know if you notice this on the asphalt.
#128
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We had a great day of racing on the parking lot of the Hobbytown here in Denver today. We ran the novice as a breakout race and it is proving to be a great way to introduce drivers to racing without getting in the way of the fast guys running 17.5 touring. We had 5 entries in the breakout and 5 in the TC class. Of course, there were two who raced in both classes.
I am running into a problem with breakout in the parking lot. We had to constantly adjust the breakout time today so the new guys dont breakout. How can we find a good starting point if the track changes every weekend?
We settled on a time of 15 seconds. For comparison, the fast TC guy was running consistent 12.3s, and got at least one 12.0. Howard, you mentioned early in this thread that you start with a reasonable VTA time and tweak from there. What are the lap time comparisons between VTA and TC on your tracks? My thinking is to set the breakout at 125% of the TC times to start.
What are your thoughts?
I am running into a problem with breakout in the parking lot. We had to constantly adjust the breakout time today so the new guys dont breakout. How can we find a good starting point if the track changes every weekend?
We settled on a time of 15 seconds. For comparison, the fast TC guy was running consistent 12.3s, and got at least one 12.0. Howard, you mentioned early in this thread that you start with a reasonable VTA time and tweak from there. What are the lap time comparisons between VTA and TC on your tracks? My thinking is to set the breakout at 125% of the TC times to start.
What are your thoughts?
#129
When we run a breakout class, we pay attention to the lap times in practice for the new guys, and adjust accordingly. Sometimes we have to correct the breakout time between each round as the new guys get a little faster.
#130
We would love to have you race with us! Fastlane oval runs on Thursday nights and one Sunday a month.
If you'd like to try onroad racing, just let me know and I'll reserve one of my loaner cars for you to use. The only item you need to bring is YOU! Arrive, enter, and drive! Onroad runs on Sundays.
Check the Fastlane schedule, as it can vary due to special events.
#131
We had a great day of racing on the parking lot of the Hobbytown here in Denver today. We ran the novice as a breakout race and it is proving to be a great way to introduce drivers to racing without getting in the way of the fast guys running 17.5 touring. We had 5 entries in the breakout and 5 in the TC class. Of course, there were two who raced in both classes.
I am running into a problem with breakout in the parking lot. We had to constantly adjust the breakout time today so the new guys dont breakout. How can we find a good starting point if the track changes every weekend?
We settled on a time of 15 seconds. For comparison, the fast TC guy was running consistent 12.3s, and got at least one 12.0. Howard, you mentioned early in this thread that you start with a reasonable VTA time and tweak from there. What are the lap time comparisons between VTA and TC on your tracks? My thinking is to set the breakout at 125% of the TC times to start.
What are your thoughts?
I am running into a problem with breakout in the parking lot. We had to constantly adjust the breakout time today so the new guys dont breakout. How can we find a good starting point if the track changes every weekend?
We settled on a time of 15 seconds. For comparison, the fast TC guy was running consistent 12.3s, and got at least one 12.0. Howard, you mentioned early in this thread that you start with a reasonable VTA time and tweak from there. What are the lap time comparisons between VTA and TC on your tracks? My thinking is to set the breakout at 125% of the TC times to start.
What are your thoughts?
Our breakout time is very close to 125% of the fastest TC guys. It also works out to (almost exactly) what a fast Mini can do. We will occasionally change to a slower time for one day if we have a total beginner. Although the track layout might change, if the track width and length is fixed, then using the same breakout time for every layout gives some continuity so that racers can make their adjustments in practice rather than the qualifying heats or races.
On the other hand, if the class is only used as a temporary measure to get a new racer up to speed, then I think CarbonJoe's answer might be better.
Marc, there might be a few more considerations in your case. First, do all of the racers understand the breakout concept, and how it will help all of the participants? Do they want to do it, or would they rather go as fast as possible? Do all of the racers have the necessary equipment (throttle endpoint adjustment, different gear ratios, different batteries, etc.) to stay above the breakout time?
#133
Tech Addict
In r/c airplane pylon racing, they have 3 classes of races. they have the GOLD class, the Silver class, and the Bronze class. they all use breakout times. if you go too fast on a lap, you lose that lap
racing has never been closer. the better you get at setting up your flying, the higher up you race.
racing has never been closer. the better you get at setting up your flying, the higher up you race.
#134
In r/c airplane pylon racing, they have 3 classes of races. they have the GOLD class, the Silver class, and the Bronze class. they all use breakout times. if you go too fast on a lap, you lose that lap
racing has never been closer. the better you get at setting up your flying, the higher up you race.
racing has never been closer. the better you get at setting up your flying, the higher up you race.
#135
Tech Addict
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