Team Titan ARC R10 190mm EP Touring Car
#781
#782
small issue I had, when installing a Killshot motor there is only about 1mm of movement for pinion adjustment. I had to use a different end bell to get it to work.
#784
What endbell did you use on the Killshot motor? Good to know as I am thinking about getting one of those motors.
#785
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#786
#787
So have any of you tested out different length bellcrank arms on carpet, and what have you found? I tried the standard bellcrank arms and the 20mm ones, and also the 8.5mm rack. So far I have liked the standard length bellcrank arms with the new 8.5mm alloy rack with 3mm shims on the steering links.
#790
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Get the car Warren!
Glad you’re considering the ARC.
I’ve been running the ARC non-2013 R10 for about 3 months now. Ran a Top Photon for a couple years where my biggest complaint was not enough front grip. The R10 has plenty. I was lucky to get a good setup from a local racer until he jumped ship to Xray. So I’m the only one running the R10 at my indoor track on med grip carpet 80 x 36 flat ozite track.
I’m super happy with the R10 and have no plans for upgrading. The car handles better than my intermediate driver skills can handle as I can’t run it to the car’s maximum potential but my car is within a lap of my club’s (and possibly Western Canada’s) top racer in 17.5 blinky TC and just over a lap in Mod TC where I’m using a boosted 5.5t. Happy at least my Mod times are faster than my stock times.
Just a couple of general questions on how you guys attempt to correct these problems and what to look at first. For 17.5 Blinky, my biggest problem is too much mid corner and on power steering out of the corner. I have too much and if I push the car too much I traction roll. I’m using a spool right now but considering testing a 1 million-oil gear diff up front next. Any suggestions and in what order of changes would you consider?
For mod TC, the setup is almost exactly the same except for a 2.5 million gear diff up front and the biggest problem I find is not enough mid corner and out of corning steering (I understeer). If I push it too hard, I find the back end kinda wants to step out. Watching the faster racers in my club, I realize I’m hitting the brakes too late to make the turn. Working on earlier braking helps but what changes and in what order would you try next?
The car is also super durable. Only things I have replaced are the c-hubs and knuckles which wouldn't need replacing if I stop hitting things and the spur gear cause apparently 1 screw was holding the motor! My bad.
Any help is much appreciated and again, I’m super happy with the car.
Ivan
#791
Hey Warren,
Glad you’re considering the ARC.
I’ve been running the ARC non-2013 R10 for about 3 months now. Ran a Top Photon for a couple years where my biggest complaint was not enough front grip. The R10 has plenty. I was lucky to get a good setup from a local racer until he jumped ship to Xray. So I’m the only one running the R10 at my indoor track on med grip carpet 80 x 36 flat ozite track.
I’m super happy with the R10 and have no plans for upgrading. The car handles better than my intermediate driver skills can handle as I can’t run it to the car’s maximum potential but my car is within a lap of my club’s (and possibly Western Canada’s) top racer in 17.5 blinky TC and just over a lap in Mod TC where I’m using a boosted 5.5t. Happy at least my Mod times are faster than my stock times.
Just a couple of general questions on how you guys attempt to correct these problems and what to look at first. For 17.5 Blinky, my biggest problem is too much mid corner and on power steering out of the corner. I have too much and if I push the car too much I traction roll. I’m using a spool right now but considering testing a 1 million-oil gear diff up front next. Any suggestions and in what order of changes would you consider?
For mod TC, the setup is almost exactly the same except for a 2.5 million gear diff up front and the biggest problem I find is not enough mid corner and out of corning steering (I understeer). If I push it too hard, I find the back end kinda wants to step out. Watching the faster racers in my club, I realize I’m hitting the brakes too late to make the turn. Working on earlier braking helps but what changes and in what order would you try next?
The car is also super durable. Only things I have replaced are the c-hubs and knuckles which wouldn't need replacing if I stop hitting things and the spur gear cause apparently 1 screw was holding the motor! My bad.
Any help is much appreciated and again, I’m super happy with the car.
Ivan
Glad you’re considering the ARC.
I’ve been running the ARC non-2013 R10 for about 3 months now. Ran a Top Photon for a couple years where my biggest complaint was not enough front grip. The R10 has plenty. I was lucky to get a good setup from a local racer until he jumped ship to Xray. So I’m the only one running the R10 at my indoor track on med grip carpet 80 x 36 flat ozite track.
I’m super happy with the R10 and have no plans for upgrading. The car handles better than my intermediate driver skills can handle as I can’t run it to the car’s maximum potential but my car is within a lap of my club’s (and possibly Western Canada’s) top racer in 17.5 blinky TC and just over a lap in Mod TC where I’m using a boosted 5.5t. Happy at least my Mod times are faster than my stock times.
Just a couple of general questions on how you guys attempt to correct these problems and what to look at first. For 17.5 Blinky, my biggest problem is too much mid corner and on power steering out of the corner. I have too much and if I push the car too much I traction roll. I’m using a spool right now but considering testing a 1 million-oil gear diff up front next. Any suggestions and in what order of changes would you consider?
For mod TC, the setup is almost exactly the same except for a 2.5 million gear diff up front and the biggest problem I find is not enough mid corner and out of corning steering (I understeer). If I push it too hard, I find the back end kinda wants to step out. Watching the faster racers in my club, I realize I’m hitting the brakes too late to make the turn. Working on earlier braking helps but what changes and in what order would you try next?
The car is also super durable. Only things I have replaced are the c-hubs and knuckles which wouldn't need replacing if I stop hitting things and the spur gear cause apparently 1 screw was holding the motor! My bad.
Any help is much appreciated and again, I’m super happy with the car.
Ivan
#792
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hey Ivan, first can I get you to post your stock setup or send it to me via PM, second, are you using the same car for stock and mod? for stock, it could be as simple as a lite coat of C.A. on the edge of the front tire. another option would be to try going to a heavier shock oil, if that works a little but want more try a softer spring. I say these things having never actually driven the car, but that's what worked with my shuie. I am of the opinion that not all cars react the same to the same changes, I know my TOP car didn't like shuie setups or changes.
Thank you for you input and suggestions. My setup is 01.02.2013 Jim Chapman carpet setup: http://www.petitrc.com/reglages/arc/...etsARCR10.html
I am using a different car for each class. Also I'm using a speed 6 body.
I thought about the CA trick but for some reason I have a bias against doing that even though I tune that way for my Tamiya Mini and even my 12th scale and both chassis are
very competitive. But ultimately, I feel by doing that, it does take some steering away and hence corner speed and where I find I'm losing some time in those classes. I'm weak in terms of tuning which I want to work on and improve so I think in the future that would be my last resort. But again, know that I appreciate your advice.
Heavier oil is an option I've heard, but not tried yet. I've read a couple of threads on the subject of traction roll where some suggest a harder front setup to keep the car flatter versus a softer front setup to allow the car to roll and absorb the forces. Still confused. Anyone want a go on this topic?
For background, I use SXT 3.0 full sauce rear tires letting soak all the time and the run before I full sauce the front probably 5-6 minutes before I race?), then clean off the tires on run off carpet before I put on track.
For tires, our track allows open tires but I'm using Jaco Blues that were spec tires for our regional series but this year our serious is gonna stick with Sweeps 32's but I haven't tried them yet and most report they are a tad gripper than the Jacos and mostly everyone is using them (some test other tires) but I still have a few more Jaco sets left behind from the old series to burn off. I don't think I'm currently at a disadvantage because I'm using the Jaco's (10-100 runs old until they blow or rip) but no one else is.
Any help or insight is always much appreciated,
Ivan
#793
For traction roll I'd suggest:
1. Softer front spring, or lay down shocks
2. Heavier front shock oil
3. Lightweight body
4. Add wheel shims, make the car wider
5. Lower front ride height
The 1M diff fluid will help reduce the on-power steering. You could also try lighter oil in the rear diff.
1. Softer front spring, or lay down shocks
2. Heavier front shock oil
3. Lightweight body
4. Add wheel shims, make the car wider
5. Lower front ride height
The 1M diff fluid will help reduce the on-power steering. You could also try lighter oil in the rear diff.