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4318LikesU.S. Vintage Trans-Am Racing Part 2
06-03-2014, 07:23 PM
#7337
Actually.....
Battman is taking over because Rob is tired of everyone's whining and complaining
Dirla will be the director of competition east of the Mississippi....
The 3 big USVTA races will be just another trophy race and mean nothing and be "weighted" towards a national points system that's just a pipe dream in the RC world for years......
Battman is taking over because Rob is tired of everyone's whining and complaining
Dirla will be the director of competition east of the Mississippi....
The 3 big USVTA races will be just another trophy race and mean nothing and be "weighted" towards a national points system that's just a pipe dream in the RC world for years......
06-03-2014, 07:27 PM
#7338
Originally Posted by
The first thing that anybody should know about U.S. Vintage Trans Am is where to find the rules.
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The first thing that anybody should know about U.S. Vintage Trans Am is where to find the rules.
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Click here to see the official U.S. VTA Rules[/B] web page. It should look similar to what you see below.
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NEW RULES EFFECTIVE SEPTEMBER 1, 2010.
Rules updated 08.27.2013. All rules subject to change and expansion should need arise.
It is highly suggested that all indoor carpet tracks use these rules exactly as they are written with no deviations. Please try to keep it consistent and fair for everyone who may attend your track from around the country.
Trans Am Class Rules and Specifications
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Body Specifications:
Late '60s to early '70s American pony car Vintage Trans-Am bodies only.
Note: Any 2-seat sports car (like the '67 Corvette Stingray) or any non-American built car (like the DeTomaso Pantera) does not fall under the American pony car category.
There are 20 officially approved USVTA bodies to pick from:
RJ Speed (aka. Bolink) part numbers:
1. #1054 - 1968 Chevrolet Camaro
2. #1055 - 1965 Ford Mustang
HPI part numbers:
3. #17510 - 1970 Plymouth AAR 'Cuda
4. #7494 - 1968 Chevrolet Camaro
5. #17531 - 1969 CHEVROLET CAMARO Z28
6. #17508 - 1965 Ford Shelby GT-350
7. #17519 - 1966 Ford Mustang GT
8. #104926 - 1966 FORD MUSTANG GT COUPE BODY
. . For the HPI Mustangs (6, 7 and 8 above) which are not provided with a spoiler:
. . A lexan spoiler of 16mm total height from trunk deck, and overall chord of 20mm is allowable. All other bodies must use the spoiler included with that specific body set. Built in spoilers may not be enhanced.
9. #17546 - 1970 Ford Mustang Boss 302 (scale wing ok)
10. #105106 - 1970 DODGE CHALLENGER BODY
Parma part numbers:
11. #10143 - 1969 Z28 Camaro
12. #10141 - 1970 Boss Mustang
13. #10113 - 1970 'Cuda
Pegasus Hobbies part numbers:
14. #PGH4001 - 1970 Camaro SS (aka. Chaparral)
15. #PGH4002 - 1970 'Cuda (aka. 'Big Fish')
16. #PGH4003 - 1970 Mustang (aka. 'Mach Racer')
Protoform part numbers:
17. #1526 - J71 (Rendition of 1971 AMC Javelin)
18. #1535-30 - 1971 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am
McAllister Racing part numbers:
19. #286- 1969 Mustang body
20. #295- 1970 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am VTA body- 1/10- 200mm
Wings or Spoilers: Body provided deck lid spoilers allowed (not wings). No additional skirts or raised/extended wings or air control surfaces allowed. Body must be trimmed at body trim lines. Front spoiler may be extended into body to provide durability. Full rear bumper required. It is highly preferred that bodies are detailed in race type livery in period-correct paint schemes. Fluorescent colors, wild graphics, chromes and non-period correct paint schemes are frowned upon. All cars must have a number on the hood, both doors and trunk lid. Wheel covers of any type are NOT allowed.
Driver Figures: All cars must include a driver figure consisting of at least a head and shoulders. Here are some examples of driver figure part numbers (ANY suitable 1/10 driver figure is legal - these are readily available examples)
HPI
#104815 INNER BODY SET FOR DT-1 TRUCK BODY
Associated
6180 Driver, unpainted, 1:10
McAllister
#423 Stock Interior and Driver
#419 SPRINT CAR DRIVER
Tire & Wheel Specifications:
The only tires allowed are HPI tire part #4793 "front" and #4797 "rear", using stock tire inserts provided with tire and any HPI Vintage wheels designed to fit these tires. All other tires and/or part numbers are illegal. Wheels and tires designated as "front" must be used as front tires/wheels, "rear" wheels/tires must used as rears. Five or Eight spoke wheels available in various colors. 0mm offset front wheels and 6mm offset rear wheels are intended for 26mm width fronts and 31mm width rear tires. 8-spoke Vintage wheels from #3805 through #3814, 5-spoke Vintage wheels from #3815 through #3822 and Vintage stock car wheels from #3854 through #3860, Vintage Wheel CC Type #33472 and #33473, Vintage Wheel DTP Type #33474 and #33475 are all legal wheels.
Grinding of tire tread is NOT permitted. Sanding of mold seam to remove seam is allowed. HPI Vintage Slicks and HPI Vintage Performance Tires are not allowed. Tire traction compounds are at the discretion of the track. No other altering, changing or softening of the tire is allowed. Tires may not be belted or changed to prevent "ballooning". All decisions of the race promoter or track owner are final. No "double stuffing" of foam inserts allowed—only single stock vintage tire inserts are allowed.
Chassis Specification:
Four Wheel Drive touring car chassis only. Any era or brand 4wd chassis is allowed.
Gear Ratios: Note: There is no gear ratio limitation in VTA. As a recommendation, a 4.0 FDR is a good place to start. An Excel spreadsheet gear ratio and final drive ratio calculator for most touring car chassis is available here.
Motor Specifications:
25.5 brushless with 2C LiPo: Novak SS25.5 Pro brushless motor (pn:3425V) Ballistic 25.5 (pn:3625V- stator only pn:S6625) Club (pn:3331) or Boss (pn:3626V) ONLY combined with any hard-cased 2C 7.4v LiPo pack up to and including 5000 mAh capacity. Novak motors are the ONLY motor allowed at this time. All house track rules regarding LiPo usage apply. Only physical motor timing advance is allowed, however Ballistic motors must not be advanced beyond the last line of the timing range sticker. 12.3 mm rotor diameter only (no "tuning" rotors are allowed, only stock Novak rotors allowed). Using ceramic bearings in the motor makes you a dork. No modifications or optional parts allowed on motor can, end-bell, stator, or rotor, other than the Boss #5925 Ballistic 540 Vented Endbell/Bearing Racing Upgrade Kit (replacement) . No cooling holes or other changes allowed to motor. Fans and external clip on heat-sinks are allowed, but integral type heatsinks/fans including but not limited to those that require motor disassembling to mount are illegal.
All decisions of the race promoter or track owner are final.
Approved ESCs:
Right now there are 14 USVTA-Approved ESCs to choose from:
NOVAK-
.. 1. Novak Club Brushless ESC (#1852)
.. 2. Novak Edge 2S Brushless ESC (#1850, 1851)
.. 3. Novak Mongoose Micro Brushless/Brush ESC (#1718)
.. 4. Novak GTB2 Racing w/X-Drive (#1749)
.. 5. Novak GTB2 Racing w/X-Drive- Low Profile (#1748)
.. 6. Novak GTB 2 Sportsman Racing Brushless ESC (#1708, 1709)
.. 7. Novak GTB series part numbers: 1710, 1711
.. 8. Novak Havoc Sport series part numbers: 1732, 1733, 1735
.. 9. Novak Slyder (DISCONTINUED) part number: 1712
..10. Novak XBR (DISCONTINUED) part number:1720
LRP
..11. LRP A.i. Brushless Reverse part numbers: LRP80100, LRP80150
SPEED PASSION
..12. Speed Passion Cirtix Stock Club Race ESC part number: 12280
..13. Speed Passion Reventon Stock Club Race part number: SP000048
HOBBYWING
..14. Hobbywing Juststock Club ESC (same esc, but differing part numbers):
. . a. Falcon Sekido Part #81020001 (Black)
. . b. Falcon Sekido Part #81020000 (Blue)
. . c. CRC Part # 7014 - Hobbywing XERUN Juststock Club No timing ESC - Sensored
Battery Specifications:
Battery must be a 2-cell (7.4V) LiPo hard cased, 5000 mAh limit.
Ride Height Specification:
Minimum ride height is 5mm.
Weight Specification:
Minimum 1550g in race-ready trim.
Race Specification:
- 5 minute qualifiers.
- 8 minute mains.
- Absolutely NO IFMAR-type starts. All heats and mains should be straight-up starts, with random sorts for each heat. Non random sorts should shuffle starting order for each heat.
Optional Main Variations:
- 12-20 car A-mains, depending on car counts.
- Invert qualifying order based on random hat pull (top 6-10 cars).
- "LeMans" type starts where all cars are lined up on an angle to the racing line in order.
- Run track in reverse rotation for mains.
- Rolling starts.
MOST IMPORTANTLY: If it's not in the rules, and does not encompass the spirit of slower, controlled racing with realistic looking cars, consider it illegal. This is called the "Spirit of VTA" Rule. The class is based on slower, equal playing field competition with less traction, minimal aerodynamic aids and mostly older carpet racing technology. The final objective is close, fair, wheel-to-wheel racing for all.
All decisions of the race promoter or track owner are final.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
NEW RULES EFFECTIVE SEPTEMBER 1, 2010.
Rules updated 08.27.2013. All rules subject to change and expansion should need arise.
It is highly suggested that all indoor carpet tracks use these rules exactly as they are written with no deviations. Please try to keep it consistent and fair for everyone who may attend your track from around the country.
Trans Am Class Rules and Specifications
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Body Specifications:
Late '60s to early '70s American pony car Vintage Trans-Am bodies only.
Note: Any 2-seat sports car (like the '67 Corvette Stingray) or any non-American built car (like the DeTomaso Pantera) does not fall under the American pony car category.
There are 20 officially approved USVTA bodies to pick from:
RJ Speed (aka. Bolink) part numbers:
1. #1054 - 1968 Chevrolet Camaro
2. #1055 - 1965 Ford Mustang
HPI part numbers:
3. #17510 - 1970 Plymouth AAR 'Cuda
4. #7494 - 1968 Chevrolet Camaro
5. #17531 - 1969 CHEVROLET CAMARO Z28
6. #17508 - 1965 Ford Shelby GT-350
7. #17519 - 1966 Ford Mustang GT
8. #104926 - 1966 FORD MUSTANG GT COUPE BODY
. . For the HPI Mustangs (6, 7 and 8 above) which are not provided with a spoiler:
. . A lexan spoiler of 16mm total height from trunk deck, and overall chord of 20mm is allowable. All other bodies must use the spoiler included with that specific body set. Built in spoilers may not be enhanced.
9. #17546 - 1970 Ford Mustang Boss 302 (scale wing ok)
10. #105106 - 1970 DODGE CHALLENGER BODY
Parma part numbers:
11. #10143 - 1969 Z28 Camaro
12. #10141 - 1970 Boss Mustang
13. #10113 - 1970 'Cuda
Pegasus Hobbies part numbers:
14. #PGH4001 - 1970 Camaro SS (aka. Chaparral)
15. #PGH4002 - 1970 'Cuda (aka. 'Big Fish')
16. #PGH4003 - 1970 Mustang (aka. 'Mach Racer')
Protoform part numbers:
17. #1526 - J71 (Rendition of 1971 AMC Javelin)
18. #1535-30 - 1971 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am
McAllister Racing part numbers:
19. #286- 1969 Mustang body
20. #295- 1970 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am VTA body- 1/10- 200mm
Wings or Spoilers: Body provided deck lid spoilers allowed (not wings). No additional skirts or raised/extended wings or air control surfaces allowed. Body must be trimmed at body trim lines. Front spoiler may be extended into body to provide durability. Full rear bumper required. It is highly preferred that bodies are detailed in race type livery in period-correct paint schemes. Fluorescent colors, wild graphics, chromes and non-period correct paint schemes are frowned upon. All cars must have a number on the hood, both doors and trunk lid. Wheel covers of any type are NOT allowed.
Driver Figures: All cars must include a driver figure consisting of at least a head and shoulders. Here are some examples of driver figure part numbers (ANY suitable 1/10 driver figure is legal - these are readily available examples)
HPI
#104815 INNER BODY SET FOR DT-1 TRUCK BODY
Associated
6180 Driver, unpainted, 1:10
McAllister
#423 Stock Interior and Driver
#419 SPRINT CAR DRIVER
Tire & Wheel Specifications:
The only tires allowed are HPI tire part #4793 "front" and #4797 "rear", using stock tire inserts provided with tire and any HPI Vintage wheels designed to fit these tires. All other tires and/or part numbers are illegal. Wheels and tires designated as "front" must be used as front tires/wheels, "rear" wheels/tires must used as rears. Five or Eight spoke wheels available in various colors. 0mm offset front wheels and 6mm offset rear wheels are intended for 26mm width fronts and 31mm width rear tires. 8-spoke Vintage wheels from #3805 through #3814, 5-spoke Vintage wheels from #3815 through #3822 and Vintage stock car wheels from #3854 through #3860, Vintage Wheel CC Type #33472 and #33473, Vintage Wheel DTP Type #33474 and #33475 are all legal wheels.
Grinding of tire tread is NOT permitted. Sanding of mold seam to remove seam is allowed. HPI Vintage Slicks and HPI Vintage Performance Tires are not allowed. Tire traction compounds are at the discretion of the track. No other altering, changing or softening of the tire is allowed. Tires may not be belted or changed to prevent "ballooning". All decisions of the race promoter or track owner are final. No "double stuffing" of foam inserts allowed—only single stock vintage tire inserts are allowed.
Chassis Specification:
Four Wheel Drive touring car chassis only. Any era or brand 4wd chassis is allowed.
Gear Ratios: Note: There is no gear ratio limitation in VTA. As a recommendation, a 4.0 FDR is a good place to start. An Excel spreadsheet gear ratio and final drive ratio calculator for most touring car chassis is available here.
Motor Specifications:
25.5 brushless with 2C LiPo: Novak SS25.5 Pro brushless motor (pn:3425V) Ballistic 25.5 (pn:3625V- stator only pn:S6625) Club (pn:3331) or Boss (pn:3626V) ONLY combined with any hard-cased 2C 7.4v LiPo pack up to and including 5000 mAh capacity. Novak motors are the ONLY motor allowed at this time. All house track rules regarding LiPo usage apply. Only physical motor timing advance is allowed, however Ballistic motors must not be advanced beyond the last line of the timing range sticker. 12.3 mm rotor diameter only (no "tuning" rotors are allowed, only stock Novak rotors allowed). Using ceramic bearings in the motor makes you a dork. No modifications or optional parts allowed on motor can, end-bell, stator, or rotor, other than the Boss #5925 Ballistic 540 Vented Endbell/Bearing Racing Upgrade Kit (replacement) . No cooling holes or other changes allowed to motor. Fans and external clip on heat-sinks are allowed, but integral type heatsinks/fans including but not limited to those that require motor disassembling to mount are illegal.
All decisions of the race promoter or track owner are final.
Approved ESCs:
Right now there are 14 USVTA-Approved ESCs to choose from:
NOVAK-
.. 1. Novak Club Brushless ESC (#1852)
.. 2. Novak Edge 2S Brushless ESC (#1850, 1851)
.. 3. Novak Mongoose Micro Brushless/Brush ESC (#1718)
.. 4. Novak GTB2 Racing w/X-Drive (#1749)
.. 5. Novak GTB2 Racing w/X-Drive- Low Profile (#1748)
.. 6. Novak GTB 2 Sportsman Racing Brushless ESC (#1708, 1709)
.. 7. Novak GTB series part numbers: 1710, 1711
.. 8. Novak Havoc Sport series part numbers: 1732, 1733, 1735
.. 9. Novak Slyder (DISCONTINUED) part number: 1712
..10. Novak XBR (DISCONTINUED) part number:1720
LRP
..11. LRP A.i. Brushless Reverse part numbers: LRP80100, LRP80150
SPEED PASSION
..12. Speed Passion Cirtix Stock Club Race ESC part number: 12280
..13. Speed Passion Reventon Stock Club Race part number: SP000048
HOBBYWING
..14. Hobbywing Juststock Club ESC (same esc, but differing part numbers):
. . a. Falcon Sekido Part #81020001 (Black)
. . b. Falcon Sekido Part #81020000 (Blue)
. . c. CRC Part # 7014 - Hobbywing XERUN Juststock Club No timing ESC - Sensored
Battery Specifications:
Battery must be a 2-cell (7.4V) LiPo hard cased, 5000 mAh limit.
Ride Height Specification:
Minimum ride height is 5mm.
Weight Specification:
Minimum 1550g in race-ready trim.
Race Specification:
- 5 minute qualifiers.
- 8 minute mains.
- Absolutely NO IFMAR-type starts. All heats and mains should be straight-up starts, with random sorts for each heat. Non random sorts should shuffle starting order for each heat.
Optional Main Variations:
- 12-20 car A-mains, depending on car counts.
- Invert qualifying order based on random hat pull (top 6-10 cars).
- "LeMans" type starts where all cars are lined up on an angle to the racing line in order.
- Run track in reverse rotation for mains.
- Rolling starts.
MOST IMPORTANTLY: If it's not in the rules, and does not encompass the spirit of slower, controlled racing with realistic looking cars, consider it illegal. This is called the "Spirit of VTA" Rule. The class is based on slower, equal playing field competition with less traction, minimal aerodynamic aids and mostly older carpet racing technology. The final objective is close, fair, wheel-to-wheel racing for all.
All decisions of the race promoter or track owner are final.
Made ya look ..
I'm gonna miss these
06-03-2014, 07:44 PM
#7339
Actually.....
Battman is taking over because Rob is tired of everyone's whining and complaining
Dirla will be the director of competition east of the Mississippi....
The 3 big USVTA races will be just another trophy race and mean nothing and be "weighted" towards a national points system that's just a pipe dream in the RC world for years......
Battman is taking over because Rob is tired of everyone's whining and complaining
Dirla will be the director of competition east of the Mississippi....
The 3 big USVTA races will be just another trophy race and mean nothing and be "weighted" towards a national points system that's just a pipe dream in the RC world for years......
06-03-2014, 08:31 PM
#7342
06-03-2014, 08:56 PM
#7343
a different tire would be a good thing. i do like the d compound tires but the slicks are too hard and the treads wear too quickly on asphalt. maybe a better scale tire in a softer compound and a slick tire. though hpi does have the market in the scale tire.
06-03-2014, 10:22 PM
#7349
Incorrect. It will be refined (limited) to usage of the Bolink '32 convertible shell only. Vintage... and equipped with the man + wife (girlfriend, fling, whatever) driver / passenger characters. Must be cut along original body lines, no modifications for extra down-force allowed.
06-03-2014, 11:58 PM
#7350
Tech Master
iTrader: (3)
Incorrect. It will be refined (limited) to usage of the Bolink '32 convertible shell only. Vintage... and equipped with the man + wife (girlfriend, fling, whatever) driver / passenger characters. Must be cut along original body lines, no modifications for extra down-force allowed.
