madjack

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Geppetto, sorry this is off topic.... but as an Audi fan you might enjoy this picture

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Deves

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Imataquito, Which spacers and how many did you use on the bulkheads, also did you use any spacers under the the suspension blocks? What color(if any) sway bars did you use on your setup?
I ran my car at Tamiya here in Calif. yesterday and overall it felt very good. My setup was out of the box and the rear end seemed to want to pass up the front end on the turns. Maybe I'm not used to the Oneways yet. But sometimes you have to let off to make a turn and that's when it was happening the most.
I need a good setup for asphalt parking lot tracks running rubber tires. Gotta love this car!

coolrcdad

FYI: I have two 414x aluminum diff pulleys for sale listed in the for sale thread.

imataquito

it depends deves..... if the track is smooth and technical i will run surikans setup at the back ... front is stock direct from the manual... except i dont use any spacers on the front camber links

or if its not soo smooth i will run 3mm on the rear front A arm mount and
2 on the rear rear A-arm mount and 6mm of spacer on the bulkheads for camberlinks

running blue(stiff swaybars all aorund) with a very soft suspension.

hm ... as for the rear comming aorund try lowering the mounting position for the rear shocks then
try a slightly softer spring in the rear or a harder spring in front

also try not to let off the trottle till its 0 when u take a turn ... maybe maintain 1/4 trottle while turning (or maybe a slight amount ) and see if this helps ... this will lesen the sensitivity of the stearing during a turn and gives a slight push with stock setup

or to make this easier set the car so it coasts slowly when ur trigger is at neutral
( not recomended but its easier )
also remember to try mastering powering up to 100% trottle just after the car is lined up for for the exit after the apex.....

IMPACTPLAYR

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Also less rear droop will keep more weight on the rear.....

imataquito

impactplayr...... u mean off power or onpower???

i normally dont set/use the droop limitors ... feel that it will limit traction .....

prefer to let the car claw it tires to the ground like a cat.....

hm....... well maybe some explanation will be useful will be testing the car quite often now

rough512

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Offpower Imataquito,

Specifically, during braking and decelerating. This prevents the rear from rising up and transferring more weight forward.

IMPACTPLAYR

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Yes, and limiting droop in the front will give you more on-power steering....

You should really look into using droop it is the most powerful tuning tool you have in your arsinal......

Merciless

Right local track just decided that were to run a "19 turn spec" motor class now on rubber tyres !

suspossedly it,ll be abit faster than the 27,s and because of the rubber tyres alittle harder to drive too ! (not hard to guess that)

What i,m gonna need help with is What rubber tyres do you all suggest (running on carpet and additives not allowed) the carpet is not ozite but provides lots of grip when compared to ozite ,at present i,m running foam purple grade tyres although foam will no longer be allowed

Also a starting set-up for rubber+carpet would be nice

as complete a listing of set-up as poss would be apperciated
i.e droop setting ,spacers under blocks tow in or out as well as general shock settings PLZ

racenut123

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front:
sorex 28r w/hpi green insert
Tamiya blue spring or associated copper spring
60 wt 2 hole piston
yellow sway bar
2mm spacers under arm carriers front and rear
2 mm spacer on inner camber link location
2mm droop
1 degree toe out,1 degree neg camber
Double one ways{center/front}
Shock mounting on tower 2nd hole in and on arm outer hole

rear:
Sorex 24r w/hpi green inserts
Tamyia yellow or associated red spring
40 wt oil 2 hole piston
yellow sway{optional}try both on and off
2mm under front arm carrier and 1.5 in rear arm carrier
2mm spacer under inner camber link location
1.5 degree toe in and 1 degree camber
shock tower mounting 2nd hole in on tower

car is very stable and pivots realy well.This can only be run with rubber otherwise its too soft for foam.This is a great baseline setup for rubber/carpet so adjust accordingly

casey has an awsome carpet setup so if you need a foam setup ask him.I have used it with great success

madjack

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EVO & Tamiya dominate!
Round 2 of Western German Championship: Tamiya dominates


While Xray was dominating round one in November at the VIOL indoor
track, this time it was Tamiya dominating by winning both touring
car classes

Lots of people in the Megadrom

Modified: First victory for new TB Evo 3
The Megadrom Geilenkirchen is the home playground for Markus Mobers.
And he spent plenty of time on the track – even two days together
with Jilles Groskamp - to be well prepared for this event. But
finally two Marc´s – Marc Fischer and Marc Rheinard – showed such an
impressive performance both with their Tamiya cars that Xray factory
driver Markus Mobers had to be satiesfied being the leader of the
rest. Marc Rheinard, racing his Orion-powered Tamiya TRF 414 M2,
took pole position ahead of Marc Fischer, who has change to Tamiya
and Orion a few weeks ago and was racing the brand new TB Evo3 for
the first time. Both Marc´s did 24 laps. Markus Mobers made it to
the third spot and missed the 24th lap just by 85 hundreds of a
second. Markus led a Xray pack with track owner Heinz-Jürgen
Kalinowski on fourth and René Püpke on fifth.

Young Marc Rheinard won the first a-main by one and a half second
ahead of Marc Fischer with Kalinowski some six seconds behind on
third. In the second a-main Rheinard took the lead again but ran
wide in a double left-hander, Fischer passed by and both cars
touched. Fischer took the lead while Rheinard had to retire. Fischer
drove the new TB Evo3 to a first victory with a three-seconds-
advantage over Mobers. Rheinard led the third a-main as well but
made one more early mistake to hand over lead and victory to his
friend Marc Fischer. Mobers came in at the tail of Rheinard on
third.

Overall win went to Marc Fischer ahead of Marc Rheinard, followed by
local heros Markus Mobers and Heinz-Jürgen Kalinowski. The b-final
was won by Tim Altmann (Losi).

Statistics: Five Tamiya made it into the final, all three TB Evo3
and two TRF 414 M2. Further more three Xray and each one Associated
and one Losi joined the a-main.

The new TB Evo3 of Marc Fischer


Modified: Results
Result A-main – touring cars modified (12 Turns)
1. Marc Fischer, Tamiya
2. Marc Rheinard, Tamiya
3. Markus Mobers, Xray
4. Heinz-Jürgen Kalinowski, Xray
5. Gunther van Staey, Losi
6. Uwe Spiess, Tamiya
7. Rene Püpke, Xray
8. Karsten Lokau, Associated
9. Bernd Haas, Tamiya
10. Alex Piperato, Tamiya

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rough512

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somebody on the TB evo 3 thread also posted that the TRF guys were breaking 414 records with the TB EVO3

I'm beginning to want one Pity too since I just bought a TB EVO 1

imataquito

hm....... ok ..... will be testing droop ......
is there any do's and dont's which i have to follow when setting droop?

i am looking for more stearing onpower and more offpower and curently i have no droop set .....
so if i want more stearing onpower without offsetting the offpower stearing i should set some droop on the front wheels?

i will start with 1mm donwtravel from my curent setup and will test with more droop later ... is this ok ?? or should i start from the manual setup ?

TRF512

To Add Offpower Steering:
Increase rear droop
Soften front suspension
To Add On Power Steering:
Decrease Front droop
Stiffen rear suspension

Side effect of droop:

Decreasing front droop also causes the front end to dip lower during cornering.

Vic

One question on droopoes it have any effect on traction?