BMI's DB12R
#7321
Tech Adept
Hi to all
I want to know a setup to begin with for a low bite asphalt track.
Please any suggestion it's welcome
I want to know a setup to begin with for a low bite asphalt track.
Please any suggestion it's welcome
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Some more setup help
Hey Jason you or anyone else have some good suggestions for a LiPo/BL setup for the RR yet? (for a med/high bite track?)
my setup I ran today - which was just a default starting point, worked OK, but in the main while I had some incredible traction I also had an issue where in the corner the car would traction roll at the end of a high speed straight.
The setup is:
Front:
Ride height 3.5 - 4mm
Caster is at One shim in front and one in back on the 5Deg block
Neutral Toe
About 1.0 Neg Camber
Laydown Servo so I have some toe in on compression
Fronts trued/worn down to 1.6 or so
.20 linear springs
5000 weight on the kingpins
Compound - Black compound
Center:
1 Cell LiPo all the way back
Center shock at the tall front mount position
50wt in the Siliva shock, Blue spring
Sure Lube #3 in the tubes.
Thin flex plates with the forward mount in the softest position (forward)
Center height 4mm
Rear:
78 Spur/45 Pinion (10.5T)
Ride height 4mm
~ .5 mm droop, maybe less
running tires trued/worn to 1.7
Compound: CRC Yellow
Body Parma Speed 8.
Total weight with body 715gm
So as you can see the car is very soft, but transitions great due to its low weight. if I left it stiff the car felt very slippery, making the ass end softer and going to the .20 front springs really let the car transition through corners. Unfortunately it couldnt cope with the lateral loads in the highspeed corners and started rolling itself over on most corners at high speed. Our winter points series just wrapped up, but my goal is now to get a real solid setup documented and well tested for this summer and carry it into the coming season. We just standardized on a 10.5T BL / 1 Cell LiPo setup for our 1/12ths.
Suggestions?
Hey Jason you or anyone else have some good suggestions for a LiPo/BL setup for the RR yet? (for a med/high bite track?)
my setup I ran today - which was just a default starting point, worked OK, but in the main while I had some incredible traction I also had an issue where in the corner the car would traction roll at the end of a high speed straight.
The setup is:
Front:
Ride height 3.5 - 4mm
Caster is at One shim in front and one in back on the 5Deg block
Neutral Toe
About 1.0 Neg Camber
Laydown Servo so I have some toe in on compression
Fronts trued/worn down to 1.6 or so
.20 linear springs
5000 weight on the kingpins
Compound - Black compound
Center:
1 Cell LiPo all the way back
Center shock at the tall front mount position
50wt in the Siliva shock, Blue spring
Sure Lube #3 in the tubes.
Thin flex plates with the forward mount in the softest position (forward)
Center height 4mm
Rear:
78 Spur/45 Pinion (10.5T)
Ride height 4mm
~ .5 mm droop, maybe less
running tires trued/worn to 1.7
Compound: CRC Yellow
Body Parma Speed 8.
Total weight with body 715gm
So as you can see the car is very soft, but transitions great due to its low weight. if I left it stiff the car felt very slippery, making the ass end softer and going to the .20 front springs really let the car transition through corners. Unfortunately it couldnt cope with the lateral loads in the highspeed corners and started rolling itself over on most corners at high speed. Our winter points series just wrapped up, but my goal is now to get a real solid setup documented and well tested for this summer and carry it into the coming season. We just standardized on a 10.5T BL / 1 Cell LiPo setup for our 1/12ths.
Suggestions?
#7323
Tech Champion
Well got to run the car with the Serpent front end today I haven't got the setup right yet but the car felt very smooth...much like it did with the CRC front end with the long upper arm conversion. The only problems I had with it was high speed steering...just didn't quite have enough. And I also had a bit of double steer. But I am still playing around with the car's setup so I'm sure I'll get that licked. All in all the front end shows a lot of promise for it's first day out.
Frank's BMI was running great today and brought him home the big W! I finished 3rd with a less then optimal setup and was pretty happy with that.
Frank's BMI was running great today and brought him home the big W! I finished 3rd with a less then optimal setup and was pretty happy with that.
#7325
Tech Lord
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Some more setup help
Hey Jason you or anyone else have some good suggestions for a LiPo/BL setup for the RR yet? (for a med/high bite track?)
my setup I ran today - which was just a default starting point, worked OK, but in the main while I had some incredible traction I also had an issue where in the corner the car would traction roll at the end of a high speed straight.
The setup is:
Front:
Ride height 3.5 - 4mm
Caster is at One shim in front and one in back on the 5Deg block
Neutral Toe
About 1.0 Neg Camber
Laydown Servo so I have some toe in on compression
Fronts trued/worn down to 1.6 or so
.20 linear springs
5000 weight on the kingpins
Compound - Black compound
Center:
1 Cell LiPo all the way back
Center shock at the tall front mount position
50wt in the Siliva shock, Blue spring
Sure Lube #3 in the tubes.
Thin flex plates with the forward mount in the softest position (forward)
Center height 4mm
Rear:
78 Spur/45 Pinion (10.5T)
Ride height 4mm
~ .5 mm droop, maybe less
running tires trued/worn to 1.7
Compound: CRC Yellow
Body Parma Speed 8.
Total weight with body 715gm
So as you can see the car is very soft, but transitions great due to its low weight. if I left it stiff the car felt very slippery, making the ass end softer and going to the .20 front springs really let the car transition through corners. Unfortunately it couldnt cope with the lateral loads in the highspeed corners and started rolling itself over on most corners at high speed. Our winter points series just wrapped up, but my goal is now to get a real solid setup documented and well tested for this summer and carry it into the coming season. We just standardized on a 10.5T BL / 1 Cell LiPo setup for our 1/12ths.
Suggestions?
Hey Jason you or anyone else have some good suggestions for a LiPo/BL setup for the RR yet? (for a med/high bite track?)
my setup I ran today - which was just a default starting point, worked OK, but in the main while I had some incredible traction I also had an issue where in the corner the car would traction roll at the end of a high speed straight.
The setup is:
Front:
Ride height 3.5 - 4mm
Caster is at One shim in front and one in back on the 5Deg block
Neutral Toe
About 1.0 Neg Camber
Laydown Servo so I have some toe in on compression
Fronts trued/worn down to 1.6 or so
.20 linear springs
5000 weight on the kingpins
Compound - Black compound
Center:
1 Cell LiPo all the way back
Center shock at the tall front mount position
50wt in the Siliva shock, Blue spring
Sure Lube #3 in the tubes.
Thin flex plates with the forward mount in the softest position (forward)
Center height 4mm
Rear:
78 Spur/45 Pinion (10.5T)
Ride height 4mm
~ .5 mm droop, maybe less
running tires trued/worn to 1.7
Compound: CRC Yellow
Body Parma Speed 8.
Total weight with body 715gm
So as you can see the car is very soft, but transitions great due to its low weight. if I left it stiff the car felt very slippery, making the ass end softer and going to the .20 front springs really let the car transition through corners. Unfortunately it couldnt cope with the lateral loads in the highspeed corners and started rolling itself over on most corners at high speed. Our winter points series just wrapped up, but my goal is now to get a real solid setup documented and well tested for this summer and carry it into the coming season. We just standardized on a 10.5T BL / 1 Cell LiPo setup for our 1/12ths.
Suggestions?
Shorten the center shock and you should be good. Run it at the shortest position and that will kill the traction rolls. Try the medium ballstud there also.
#7326
Tech Adept
Well got to run the car with the Serpent front end today I haven't got the setup right yet but the car felt very smooth...much like it did with the CRC front end with the long upper arm conversion. The only problems I had with it was high speed steering...just didn't quite have enough. And I also had a bit of double steer. But I am still playing around with the car's setup so I'm sure I'll get that licked. All in all the front end shows a lot of promise for it's first day out.
Frank's BMI was running great today and brought him home the big W! I finished 3rd with a less then optimal setup and was pretty happy with that.
Frank's BMI was running great today and brought him home the big W! I finished 3rd with a less then optimal setup and was pretty happy with that.
#7327
Tech Lord
iTrader: (13)
Running optional parts such as CRC or serpent front end that is not stock can have negative effects on the cars handling. The stock front end is what the car was tested with and the steering geometry of the stock front end is what the car works best with. Other companies have front ends and there car may work fine with it but if someone wants to try it they are more than welcome to. I cant guarentee it will work well but they are entitled. I already dealt with this at snowbirds and proved that the stock front end was much faster on this car.
#7328
Tech Champion
Smooth in the way it reacts to input...it was never edgy and only had the double steer in 1 corner. I know it sounds like it doesn't make sense but you'd probably have to see it to understand what I mean. With the exception of the double steer the car just feels a lot more calm to drive.
#7329
Tech Champion
Running optional parts such as CRC or serpent front end that is not stock can have negative effects on the cars handling. The stock front end is what the car was tested with and the steering geometry of the stock front end is what the car works best with. Other companies have front ends and there car may work fine with it but if someone wants to try it they are more than welcome to. I cant guarentee it will work well but they are entitled. I already dealt with this at snowbirds and proved that the stock front end was much faster on this car.
#7330
Tech Lord
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True...but we never prgress without experimentation and I love to do that. While the stock front end did prove to be the best at the Snowbirds I and others are still nervous about the fragility of the IRS lower arm. The easiest solution would be to just replace them with machine lowered original AE arms...but this is more fun
#7331
Tech Champion
LOL speaking of which...think you could shave a little talent off of Schreff and Fairtrace and sell it to the rest of us mere mortals?
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So I want to say a few words about the whole aftermarket front suspension setups that were talked about earlier. (Serpent, CRC).
I picked up a CRC setup and noticed once it was on the car... the front track width is narrower. Sure enough the CRC chassis is wider at the mount points than the BMI/AE spec chassis. This means in order to not have a car out of spec for front width, they had to make the front arms on the CRC shorter.
This can deffinitely cause some handling differences as you now have a larger discrepency in front/rear wheel base. And because of how the front spindles are setup on the CRC there really isnt a way to change the front width.
That and the fact you need to use different bearings for the CRC as the spindles are much larger than 1/8th.
Just thought I would point this out for those who didnt measure before/after. And I do have a full CRC front arm setup for sale now if anyone wants it
I picked up a CRC setup and noticed once it was on the car... the front track width is narrower. Sure enough the CRC chassis is wider at the mount points than the BMI/AE spec chassis. This means in order to not have a car out of spec for front width, they had to make the front arms on the CRC shorter.
This can deffinitely cause some handling differences as you now have a larger discrepency in front/rear wheel base. And because of how the front spindles are setup on the CRC there really isnt a way to change the front width.
That and the fact you need to use different bearings for the CRC as the spindles are much larger than 1/8th.
Just thought I would point this out for those who didnt measure before/after. And I do have a full CRC front arm setup for sale now if anyone wants it