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4318LikesU.S. Vintage Trans-Am Racing Part 2
05-08-2014, 09:53 AM
#7126
05-08-2014, 10:25 AM
#7127
05-08-2014, 10:35 AM
#7128
I knew your userID looked familiar 
honestly, I think the list is fine as is. the problem with allowing one a 'chance' is the backlash that will happen if/when its found to have a profound advantage over the others... look at what's been happening with the HW
If the speedo can be locked in a spec/non-timing mode only, regardless of updates, then it probably should be allowed if, and only if, its been proven to NOT provide an advantage over the existing ones.
USVTA doesn't need to turn into a 'flavor of the week' class like the other classes are. Racers, by nature, will always look for what gives them (the appearance of) that extra umph. so you will never, ever please everyone - its down to controlling the the possibilities of what's available in order to find that 'one good one'
I remember the last Scale Nationals I went too... One kid (and he was a kid), have 4 speedos on his workbench, plus the one in his car. he was trying to find the 'one' that would give him that advantage. now, personally, that's a lot of $$ to just be sitting there for a spec class, or any class for that matter. but that's what he did, and obiviously, it seemed his dad was fine with it. now would allowing a tekin or orca in the mix change anything? who knows, but it definitely would have blown up a cost control approach to the class
So my question for you is this... do you personally feel that some of the ESC's apparently now in question should be removed?
The thing myself, along with a number of others have been trying to do, is find an accurate / valid reason to do so. Parity exists when using a HW or SP. Close racing exists. Equal performance (despite "profile "feel") exists. Will it help the class to remove them? Or just make some people feel better? It will certainly benefit Novak, but that is for another discussion. Find a "secret boost profile" for one of these ESc's, regardless of brand, and I will whole-heartedly agree.
The thing myself, along with a number of others have been trying to do, is find an accurate / valid reason to do so. Parity exists when using a HW or SP. Close racing exists. Equal performance (despite "profile "feel") exists. Will it help the class to remove them? Or just make some people feel better? It will certainly benefit Novak, but that is for another discussion. Find a "secret boost profile" for one of these ESc's, regardless of brand, and I will whole-heartedly agree.
If the speedo can be locked in a spec/non-timing mode only, regardless of updates, then it probably should be allowed if, and only if, its been proven to NOT provide an advantage over the existing ones.
USVTA doesn't need to turn into a 'flavor of the week' class like the other classes are. Racers, by nature, will always look for what gives them (the appearance of) that extra umph. so you will never, ever please everyone - its down to controlling the the possibilities of what's available in order to find that 'one good one'
I remember the last Scale Nationals I went too... One kid (and he was a kid), have 4 speedos on his workbench, plus the one in his car. he was trying to find the 'one' that would give him that advantage. now, personally, that's a lot of $$ to just be sitting there for a spec class, or any class for that matter. but that's what he did, and obiviously, it seemed his dad was fine with it. now would allowing a tekin or orca in the mix change anything? who knows, but it definitely would have blown up a cost control approach to the class
05-08-2014, 10:54 AM
#7129
Mellow.....Melllooowwww....
Well, anyways, I've thrown my .02 in enough for now. I think if we cut two of the most affordable zero-timing ESC's out of the picture in USVTA, it is a shame and a loss. Nothing improved. It won't really affect me personally as the VTA racing locally is a half Roar/ half USVTA deal anyways. But as a whole, I find it to be completely unnecessary... and a fix to a non-existent problem. And more money to spend on an "affordable" class. Time will tell....
Well, anyways, I've thrown my .02 in enough for now. I think if we cut two of the most affordable zero-timing ESC's out of the picture in USVTA, it is a shame and a loss. Nothing improved. It won't really affect me personally as the VTA racing locally is a half Roar/ half USVTA deal anyways. But as a whole, I find it to be completely unnecessary... and a fix to a non-existent problem. And more money to spend on an "affordable" class. Time will tell....
05-08-2014, 11:33 AM
#7130
Tech Fanatic
Unless you modify the timing end of the motor, the 25.5 D3.5 timing is limited to 20 degrees and at that timing its a dog compared to other motors unless you run a very big pinion and a really small spur. If you modify the end bell so the timing ring can rotate to 40 degrees, it really comes to life, but that modification is most likely illegal and why I'm not using that motor.
05-08-2014, 12:01 PM
#7131
Tech Fanatic
So I assume by now everyone can tell im pro Tekin and pretty much anti novak. But I can say that betwen Tekin, Novak, and Trinity, motors I have run, the Novak is definately the more powerfull motor. Top end is close to the same, but has a good deal more low end than the other 2. On the Novak crank the timing up and go at it. On thenother two, its takkng me some time to find that sweet spot. I dont mind the one motor rule, but even ifnit were open, I think people wouldnstill gravitate to the Novak.
05-08-2014, 12:20 PM
#7132
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I'm building the Spec-R now, and i'll weight it when I'm done - I'm willing to bet I'll have to add at least 50g to get to the legal 1550 weight... so how is lowering the weight going to benefit someone that just bought that chassis? I'm sure the 3Racing isn't too far behind the Spec-R
going to 1450 will put a lot of chassis at a disadvantage (and I'm betting most of the 'cheaper' sport edition models ...
I'm building the Spec-R now, and i'll weight it when I'm done - I'm willing to bet I'll have to add at least 50g to get to the legal 1550 weight... so how is lowering the weight going to benefit someone that just bought that chassis? I'm sure the 3Racing isn't too far behind the Spec-R
going to 1450 will put a lot of chassis at a disadvantage (and I'm betting most of the 'cheaper' sport edition models ...
Needs 165g 24 lead bricks to get 1550g
05-08-2014, 12:24 PM
#7133
Tech Fanatic
ESC discusions
I haven't been reading this thread lately and probably should have. But the discussions about banning the HW Just Stock ESC concerns me as that is the ESC I have. The issue is back loading unapproved software version into the ESC. True you can update the HW software just like you can update the Tekin software, which makes it easy to upload it with unapproved software versions. But in both cases its reasonably easy to verify which version of the software is loaded in the ESC. More so with the HW than a Tekin, because you have to use the handheld programming box to update the software (although TEKIIN now now has an APP to program ther ESC with an Iphone). When you plug the HW ESC into the box and turn the car on, the programming box software version and then the ESC software version are displayed and can be checked if there is any suspicion of cheating. Might take 2 minutes to complete on any suspected car or tech any car in the top 3 with a HW ESC. IMO just too easy to tech what software is in the HW Just Stock ESC to consider banned this ESC.
05-08-2014, 12:33 PM
#7134
I haven't been reading this thread lately and probably should have. But the discussions about banning the HW Just Stock ESC concerns me as that is the ESC I have. The issue is back loading unapproved software version into the ESC. True you can update the HW software just like you can update the Tekin software, which makes it easy to upload it with unapproved software versions. But in both cases its reasonably easy to verify which version of the software is loaded in the ESC. More so with the HW than a Tekin, because you have to use the handheld programming box to update the software (although TEKIIN now now has an APP to program ther ESC with an Iphone). When you plug the HW ESC into the box and turn the car on, the programming box software version and then the ESC software version are displayed and can be checked if there is any suspicion of cheating. Might take 2 minutes to complete on any suspected car or tech any car in the top 3 with a HW ESC. IMO just too easy to tech what software is in the HW Just Stock ESC to consider banned this ESC.
05-08-2014, 12:33 PM
#7135
give it a rest.... the weight for USVTA isn't changing anytime soon - there's been more then enough reasons why its not going to change, so you can give up your 1 man crusade and go run ROAR rules already
Last edited by k_bojar; 05-08-2014 at 12:50 PM.
05-08-2014, 12:42 PM
#7137
05-08-2014, 12:47 PM
#7139
or about 4, maybe 5 .9 oz tunsgen squares. which is what i'm going with.
give it a rest.... the weight for USVTA isn't changing anytime soon - there's been more then enough reasons why its not going to change, so you can give up your 1 man crusade and go run ROAR rules already
give it a rest.... the weight for USVTA isn't changing anytime soon - there's been more then enough reasons why its not going to change, so you can give up your 1 man crusade and go run ROAR rules already
dont care, we run 1450g in my neck of the woods
05-08-2014, 12:48 PM
#7140
before its asked, here - http://www.ebay.com/itm/181357188011...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT