what is the best 19 turn motor (not spec)
02-02-2006, 03:39 PM
#31
Eric Anderson
No matter what motor you're talking about, you might want to talk to Eric Anderson. He knows how to make these little motors sing. Thanks; Ernie P. 
02-02-2006, 04:56 PM
#32
I am a big fan of the C2 myself, but the new Atlas motors have been looking impressive on the Dyno and with a tight power band so you should be able to go up possibly a couple teeth.. Atlas I did last night did 168 Watts at a 28 amp load.. Still has yet to beat my record of a C2 with 176 Watts @ 28 amps. Both will average 150 watts though...
02-03-2006, 06:28 AM
#33
what's a C2 and where can I get one, and who is Eric Anderson?
02-03-2006, 06:36 AM
#34
Apple-Eric Anderson is the Proud Ownder of EA Motorsports.
If you do a search for EA Motorsports it will give you his site.
These guys forget sometimes that the guys asking questions are NEW and dont know abreviations.lol.
C2 stands for a Trinity Chameleon 2.
Instead of buying a Trinity we are recommending using one that someone else has tuned.
EA motorsports,and a list of others.
Goodluck and hope this helps.
If you do a search for EA Motorsports it will give you his site.
These guys forget sometimes that the guys asking questions are NEW and dont know abreviations.lol.
C2 stands for a Trinity Chameleon 2.
Instead of buying a Trinity we are recommending using one that someone else has tuned.
EA motorsports,and a list of others.
Goodluck and hope this helps.
02-03-2006, 06:37 AM
#35
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02-03-2006, 06:57 AM
#36
Originally Posted by Apple
what's a C2 and where can I get one, and who is Eric Anderson?
We have them at www.axiommotors.com
Eric Anderson = EA
02-03-2006, 09:47 AM
#37
Tech Adept
No matter how well tuned or how fast the 19T spec is (Atlas or C2) it will never be a match for a 19T "modified' like the DC Outlaw.
02-03-2006, 09:51 AM
#38
Tech Regular
would you believe it if I said I am getting a little confused ;-)
why do I think that most hand-wound motors would be faster than "most" machine wound motors... even those who are tuned? or, am I making a thinking mistake here....
same thinking as that most 8 turn motors would be faster than "most" 15 turn motors...
so the "hand wound" factor doesn't make that much difference?
considering that we are allowed all 19T's, would a DC motorsports or a EA motorsports be faster?..
(yes, I am going to mail EA for his advice)
why do I think that most hand-wound motors would be faster than "most" machine wound motors... even those who are tuned? or, am I making a thinking mistake here....
same thinking as that most 8 turn motors would be faster than "most" 15 turn motors...
so the "hand wound" factor doesn't make that much difference?
considering that we are allowed all 19T's, would a DC motorsports or a EA motorsports be faster?..
(yes, I am going to mail EA for his advice)
02-03-2006, 09:56 AM
#39
Originally Posted by vassago
No matter how well tuned or how fast the 19T spec is (Atlas or C2) it will never be a match for a 19T "modified' like the DC Outlaw.
EA
02-03-2006, 09:57 AM
#40
Originally Posted by Santosh
would you believe it if I said I am getting a little confused ;-)
why do I think that most hand-wound motors would be faster than "most" machine wound motors... even those who are tuned? or, am I making a thinking mistake here....
same thinking as that most 8 turn motors would be faster than "most" 15 turn motors...
so the "hand wound" factor doesn't make that much difference?
considering that we are allowed all 19T's, would a DC motorsports or a EA motorsports be faster?..
(yes, I am going to mail EA for his advice)
why do I think that most hand-wound motors would be faster than "most" machine wound motors... even those who are tuned? or, am I making a thinking mistake here....
same thinking as that most 8 turn motors would be faster than "most" 15 turn motors...
so the "hand wound" factor doesn't make that much difference?
considering that we are allowed all 19T's, would a DC motorsports or a EA motorsports be faster?..
(yes, I am going to mail EA for his advice)
Yes you are right. A handwound motor "should" be better than a machine wound motor.
See my other post below this...It will answer your last question...It all depends on the track and layout.
EA
02-03-2006, 09:57 AM
#41
Tech Adept
There is more to a motor than just the wind (number of turns).
All things equal a handwound motor will still be faster than a machine wound. Maybe not a whole lot but still faster.
The armature will have less wire on it (less resistance = more power) and be a bit more effecient.
If you buy an Outlaw the wire used will be thicker than the wire used on a Chameleon/atlas or other spec motor.
Thicker wire = less resistence = more power.
The groove in the center of the arm will also make a bit more HP than and arm without it.
The difference between a spec motor and a 19T "mod" is quite eurhm, huge
IMO DC motorsports makes the best 19T but Br00d has a very nice one as well.
All things equal a handwound motor will still be faster than a machine wound. Maybe not a whole lot but still faster.
The armature will have less wire on it (less resistance = more power) and be a bit more effecient.
If you buy an Outlaw the wire used will be thicker than the wire used on a Chameleon/atlas or other spec motor.
Thicker wire = less resistence = more power.
The groove in the center of the arm will also make a bit more HP than and arm without it.
The difference between a spec motor and a 19T "mod" is quite eurhm, huge
IMO DC motorsports makes the best 19T but Br00d has a very nice one as well.
02-03-2006, 10:02 AM
#42
Tech Adept
Originally Posted by EAMotorsports
But on a small tight track a C2 or atlas will run better because they will have more torque since the arm hasnt had any material removed from it.
I'd have to see it to believe it though, but I don't want to argue with The Man
Some tracks are even 1:5 gas car tracks
02-03-2006, 10:03 AM
#43
Tech Regular
well, I am impressed with the honest answer from EA.
I just send EA an e-mail which now you can ignore.. of course ;-)
I know now what to do now...
p.s. EA, if you are willing to "make" me a 19 Turn mod motor, I could buy it from you at the birds...
I just send EA an e-mail which now you can ignore.. of course ;-)
I know now what to do now...
p.s. EA, if you are willing to "make" me a 19 Turn mod motor, I could buy it from you at the birds...
02-03-2006, 10:05 AM
#44
Originally Posted by vassago
Could be, the tracks I race at don't qualify for that I guess
I'd have to see it to believe it though, but I don't want to argue with The Man
Some tracks are even 1:5 gas car tracks
I'd have to see it to believe it though, but I don't want to argue with The Man
Some tracks are even 1:5 gas car tracks
EA
02-03-2006, 10:10 AM
#45
Tech Regular
how does the smaller comm diameter compare to brush size use....
and, what laydown brush to use?... those "popular" F-brushes?
it all starts to make more and more sense... now i understand why dc motorsports and ea uses the cans they use...
so my D5 with a 19T (hand wound) most likely would be faster in a C2 can?..hmmm, very interesting...
and my "trick" to buy a modified Team Checkpoint motor and replace the armature with a hand wound 19Turn may fail .. ;-)
and, what laydown brush to use?... those "popular" F-brushes?
it all starts to make more and more sense... now i understand why dc motorsports and ea uses the cans they use...
so my D5 with a 19T (hand wound) most likely would be faster in a C2 can?..hmmm, very interesting...
and my "trick" to buy a modified Team Checkpoint motor and replace the armature with a hand wound 19Turn may fail .. ;-)