Xray t4'15
#916
Looks like Spec-R has a new motor mount/layshaft/ARS mount for the '15. Might be a nice option for lower grip or more even chassis flex.
http://www.spec-r.com/default/index....roducts_id=739
http://www.spec-r.com/default/index....roducts_id=739
#917
Tech Elite
iTrader: (9)
Looks like Spec-R has a new motor mount/layshaft/ARS mount for the '15. Might be a nice option for lower grip or more even chassis flex.
http://www.spec-r.com/default/index....roducts_id=739
http://www.spec-r.com/default/index....roducts_id=739
#918
#919
During the weekend I was trying to work out a way of increasing my rear traction out of a corner, whilst not giving away too much steering.
It seemed that as I was coming onto the power from mid corner to corner exit, the back the slide sideways slightly instead of just pushing forwards.
This was running a Mod on carpet with Ride Rex30 tyres on low-medium grip.
Standard chassis and top deck, no layshaft screws but steering brace in.
Due to the rear being a bit loose mid corner I did run long rear wheelbase and 1.2 rear roll bar.
2.5-2.8 F and 2.6R 400 oil
I tried;
2.3-2.6 rear springs but this just seemed to make the car a bit too lazy
Dropping rear upper link to 1mm on the inside which helped with the 'looseness'
I assume that if I wanted more rear traction out of a corner I need to transfer more weight to the rear on power.
I didn't want to put 2.5 rear springs in as I was worried about losing too much steering and 2.7's are too much for the traction we have.
I also didn't try anti-dive and anti squat as I thought these would also prevent the weight transfer I was after.
Anyone have any advice as to what I could change/should have tried, or is it that I need to straighten the car up more before applying power?
I managed to get within 0.4s of Andy Moore's fastest lap despite all this but I wasn't consistent enough to keep putting those laps in.
Thanks
Skiddins
It seemed that as I was coming onto the power from mid corner to corner exit, the back the slide sideways slightly instead of just pushing forwards.
This was running a Mod on carpet with Ride Rex30 tyres on low-medium grip.
Standard chassis and top deck, no layshaft screws but steering brace in.
Due to the rear being a bit loose mid corner I did run long rear wheelbase and 1.2 rear roll bar.
2.5-2.8 F and 2.6R 400 oil
I tried;
2.3-2.6 rear springs but this just seemed to make the car a bit too lazy
Dropping rear upper link to 1mm on the inside which helped with the 'looseness'
I assume that if I wanted more rear traction out of a corner I need to transfer more weight to the rear on power.
I didn't want to put 2.5 rear springs in as I was worried about losing too much steering and 2.7's are too much for the traction we have.
I also didn't try anti-dive and anti squat as I thought these would also prevent the weight transfer I was after.
Anyone have any advice as to what I could change/should have tried, or is it that I need to straighten the car up more before applying power?
I managed to get within 0.4s of Andy Moore's fastest lap despite all this but I wasn't consistent enough to keep putting those laps in.
Thanks
Skiddins
#920
Skiddins: have you tried the 0*/1 hole rear hubs? I've used them to prevent the stepping out of the rear end without sacrificing steering in the past with good success.
#921
Raise the inner rear camber link a tad.
#922
I thought they were mainly to try and gain corner speed?
#923
#924
Tech Fanatic
iTrader: (7)
I was fighting this just last week. After talking with a fellow racer I added more steering to the car, this made it so I wasn't full lock leaving the corner and as such didn't have such a dramatic impact when getting on throttle.
Easiest way to test is probably take some dual rate out of your radio and see if that cures the problem, then find some way (camber, etc...) to add some steering back.
I've also found that the lower arm plates in the rear make the car more planted exiting the corner.
Another thing I found locked the car in a bit, especially in transitions is the center top deck post.
Finally, sometimes this can happen because the car is dumping too much weight to the rear outside corner on power, you could try standing the rear shock up one, or a smaller change (from a ride stiffness perspective) would be to go to two hole rear arms and use the outside hole.
Easiest way to test is probably take some dual rate out of your radio and see if that cures the problem, then find some way (camber, etc...) to add some steering back.
I've also found that the lower arm plates in the rear make the car more planted exiting the corner.
Another thing I found locked the car in a bit, especially in transitions is the center top deck post.
Finally, sometimes this can happen because the car is dumping too much weight to the rear outside corner on power, you could try standing the rear shock up one, or a smaller change (from a ride stiffness perspective) would be to go to two hole rear arms and use the outside hole.
#925
I was fighting this just last week. After talking with a fellow racer I added more steering to the car, this made it so I wasn't full lock leaving the corner and as such didn't have such a dramatic impact when getting on throttle.
Easiest way to test is probably take some dual rate out of your radio and see if that cures the problem, then find some way (camber, etc...) to add some steering back.
I've also found that the lower arm plates in the rear make the car more planted exiting the corner.
Another thing I found locked the car in a bit, especially in transitions is the center top deck post.
Finally, sometimes this can happen because the car is dumping too much weight to the rear outside corner on power, you could try standing the rear shock up one, or a smaller change (from a ride stiffness perspective) would be to go to two hole rear arms and use the outside hole.
Easiest way to test is probably take some dual rate out of your radio and see if that cures the problem, then find some way (camber, etc...) to add some steering back.
I've also found that the lower arm plates in the rear make the car more planted exiting the corner.
Another thing I found locked the car in a bit, especially in transitions is the center top deck post.
Finally, sometimes this can happen because the car is dumping too much weight to the rear outside corner on power, you could try standing the rear shock up one, or a smaller change (from a ride stiffness perspective) would be to go to two hole rear arms and use the outside hole.
I wasn't using 100% lock anywhere on track.
I did put the centre post in for the final, but couldn't really tell much difference, is any.
Haven't tried the arm braces so might try that next time.
Though at the last round I was running the graphite arms all round but I think they just reduce the grip a bit too much.
#926
Take it up to whatever you've got it right now plus .5mm, then again a bit if things seem to be improving, as long as you don't create another problem.
Are your camber links now parallel with the lower arm? It would be a good idea to have the links point a bit down outwards. I'm thinking a bit of camber gain.
Are your camber links now parallel with the lower arm? It would be a good idea to have the links point a bit down outwards. I'm thinking a bit of camber gain.
#927
Raising the inner camber link lowers the roll centre - is that right?
....and that reduces the camber gain?
Net effect being the outer tyre is less vertical under cornering?
....and that reduces the camber gain?
Net effect being the outer tyre is less vertical under cornering?
Last edited by cplus; 01-20-2015 at 05:46 AM.
#928
#929
And whether your lower arm is pointing down, horizontal or pointing up at normal ride height.
Raising or lowering the roll centre has nothing to do with camber gain. Any connection is indirect.
Raising or lowering the roll centre has nothing to do with camber gain. Any connection is indirect.
#930
Tech Master
iTrader: (17)
ECS Shafts Causing Odd Handling?
So I installed a set of Reflex racing ECS shafts at the beginning of a normal race day..... I chased the cars poor handling for the entire practice session blaming low grip levels yada yada.... finally i went back to my standard setup which is essentially the kit setup with a few camber link shim changes and a 1mm shim between the steering block and link on the ARS system.
Basically the car felt totally disconnected from the track and would randomly snap over steer sometimes on corner entry sometimes on exit..
I didn't manage to finish a single qualifier as it was to dramatic to drive in close competition and I didn't want to cause more harm to others on the track.
Before the main I removed the ECS shafts and went back to the standard kit shafts and the car was a rocket I manged to bump from dead last in the C main to an overall finish for the day second in the A main.
I doubt others have seen this but does anyone have a clue what I am missing?
Basically the car felt totally disconnected from the track and would randomly snap over steer sometimes on corner entry sometimes on exit..
I didn't manage to finish a single qualifier as it was to dramatic to drive in close competition and I didn't want to cause more harm to others on the track.
Before the main I removed the ECS shafts and went back to the standard kit shafts and the car was a rocket I manged to bump from dead last in the C main to an overall finish for the day second in the A main.
I doubt others have seen this but does anyone have a clue what I am missing?