Setup station/Tweak board
#1
Setup station/Tweak board
I have been looking into purchasing a setup station for my TC, also thinking about a tweak board. Then I found this "Unity Tool Tweak Board" http://www.unitytool.com/tweakboard/instructions.html
and thought this may be the best of both worlds. Has anyone used this product? Looking for positive and negative feedback.
Thanks,
Neil
and thought this may be the best of both worlds. Has anyone used this product? Looking for positive and negative feedback.
Thanks,
Neil
Last edited by nsgland; 11-22-2012 at 10:07 AM.
#3
Tech Elite
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I have been looking into purchasing a setup station for my TC, also thinking about a tweak board. Then I found this "Unity Tool Tweak Board" http://www.unitytool.com/tweakboard/instructions.html
and thought this may be the best of both worlds. Has anyone used this product? Looking for positive and negative feedback.
Thanks,
Neil
and thought this may be the best of both worlds. Has anyone used this product? Looking for positive and negative feedback.
Thanks,
Neil
I have the Hudy setup system, and it is awesome. I also have a metal Integy one and it was just as good for me. I did not like the clear plastic ones, integy or hudy though, but that is personal opinion. As far as tweak with a TC, it is not something I would get a tweak board specifically for. Removing wheels and shocks, and placing the car on a flat setup board, and you will see if you have tweak. There are several floating around at the track (and I have the Hudy one that comes with the setup station) but I use it only on my pan cars. If the TC is tweaked, it is removing the topdeck and possibly loosening bulkheads, then methodically tightening everything back down.
Honestly, I'd recommend trying some that others have at the track. They are similar, but you may find something you like or dislike about a specific style or brand to help make your decision.
#5
Tech Regular
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Not a fan of the Unity system....
1) I don't like using the sides of wheels (which are known to get bent from impacts) to check camber settings, not reliable IMO. I prefer to remove the wheels and bolt on a set of dedicated camber plates from a setup station. Very repeatable method.
2) With traditional camber plates (gauges) you can also easily check for camber gain as your suspension compresses, chassis rolls over or rises up against droop screw settings on all four wheels at once (touring car). This can give you a dynamic visual indicator of your tires changing contact patch on the track. Not easily done with the Unity system.
3) Traditional setup stations quickly show you bump steer changes, toe settings and steering throw symmetry without using loose blocks that can easily cause user error IMO. With the Unity system, you are gauging off of wheel sides that once again may be bent or untrue.
1) I don't like using the sides of wheels (which are known to get bent from impacts) to check camber settings, not reliable IMO. I prefer to remove the wheels and bolt on a set of dedicated camber plates from a setup station. Very repeatable method.
2) With traditional camber plates (gauges) you can also easily check for camber gain as your suspension compresses, chassis rolls over or rises up against droop screw settings on all four wheels at once (touring car). This can give you a dynamic visual indicator of your tires changing contact patch on the track. Not easily done with the Unity system.
3) Traditional setup stations quickly show you bump steer changes, toe settings and steering throw symmetry without using loose blocks that can easily cause user error IMO. With the Unity system, you are gauging off of wheel sides that once again may be bent or untrue.
#9
Works for 1/12, 1/10 and 1/8th scale.
#10
I have been looking into purchasing a setup station for my TC, also thinking about a tweak board. Then I found this "Unity Tool Tweak Board" http://www.unitytool.com/tweakboard/instructions.html
and thought this may be the best of both worlds. Has anyone used this product? Looking for positive and negative feedback.
Thanks,
Neil
and thought this may be the best of both worlds. Has anyone used this product? Looking for positive and negative feedback.
Thanks,
Neil
#11
Tech Apprentice
1) How do you compensate for the inaccuracy of the tires if you do not figure them into the measurement?
2) How do you compensate for the inaccuracy of the tires if you do not figure them into the measurement?
#12
Tech Elite
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When you measure droop, you can use 10mm Hudy blocks, 13mm 3Racing blocks, 20mm offroad blocks, etc. But you have to make sure to use the droop gauge based on that base height. If you use 10mm blocks and a 13mm gauge, you can still measure droop and make it consistent, but when the next time you use a 10mm gauge, your numbers will all change even if the settings do not.
The reason you do not need to compensate for the tire, is too many things cause camber to change. Ride height, droop, roll center, caster, anti-dive, etc etc. Just because you have 0* camber does not mean that the tire is sitting flat, whether in a straight or in a corner. You adjust the camber just like everything else based on how the car drives and how you drive the car. 2* on you car might be 1* on someone elses to have the same handling effect. But if you are not measuring from the same place, how do you get back to a setup you liked? I do not know the camber difference between a Jaco Blue and a Sweep QTS 32. I know that they work with 1* front camber on my car, and if I measure that at the hub, the car will work. The number might be 2* with Jacos, 1.5* with Sweeps, and it might change set to set, or even run to run as the rims flex. I always know that my hub is at the right setting though.
It obviously works for some people, and that is awesome for them. I am not one of the "fast guys", so I spend a lot of time working on my car. When a team driver asks me my camber, I know he is measuring the hub, and in order for his advice to mean anything to me, I need to measure the same way. I also know if I take my car apart for service, I can put it back exactly how it was, no matter the tires that are on it.
#14
Tech Elite
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I have both, and they are both good bad, I guess. You can do alot with the unity system and it's engraved and the bubble is done for you, unlike some others that have the user do it.
I have used it on my 1/8th scale on roads, and 235mm on road 1/10th scales and of course 1/12th.
I also like my Hudy system too.
To the original poster, hopefully you try both before buying but if not then just buy what system you think you'd perfer.
Steve
I have used it on my 1/8th scale on roads, and 235mm on road 1/10th scales and of course 1/12th.
I also like my Hudy system too.
To the original poster, hopefully you try both before buying but if not then just buy what system you think you'd perfer.
Steve
#15
Tech Regular
Just wondering how you lock the toe/camber block on the tweak station. As I cannot find a setup station for my 1/5 F1, I tried using a ruler with a camber guage (think similar to this setup) to check the toe and it is really hard to get it accurate.....