Originally Posted by C_O_jones

Where do you get this info? You run a 17.5 yet?

Originally Posted by Verndog

I might add that since the 27T will dominate the 17.5's

Originally Posted by Verndog

Read thru the posts and most that have run a 17.5 in a sedan agree that they dont have the power a 27T has. 13.5 was very close to the 27T before sintered rotors pushed them slightly ahead (and questionable to a well tuned 27T). I've owned 6 total BL over the last 1 1/2 years and know that an increase in 4 BL turns is significant, that much I'll say.

Originally Posted by Steve Weiss

Interesting discussion we have going on in here...

First of all I'd like to quash any notion that Novak has some master plan to release slower motors in succession in a ploy to make everyone buy them one after another.

People tell us they want slower motors than what we have available... we do testing...we have third party testers test it... if everything seems good we release it.

Brushless technology has been advancing very quickly over the last few years and as mentioned before the 13.5 with a bonded rotor and a sintered rotor are two completely different beasts.

The 17.5 was a motor that we made available because some oval organizations specifically asked for a significantly slower motor that they could use... as word of this motor spread, demand for it grew and then it was put into full production/distribution.

As far as what motors are equal to others today it seems that most people tend to agree that the 10.5 and the 19T brushed motors seem fairly equal... they each have their own advantages in different aspects.

Then you get to the stock issue... 13.5 with a sintered rotor seems to be too fast when compared with the 27T brushed motors... so maybe a slower wind is in order...? enter talk of using the 17.5.

The 17.5 is definately slower...maybe too slow if you're looking for an equivalent? Maybe a 15.5 with a sintered rotor is a better match?

Is equality really what we need anyways?

Going to alot of the big races there are times when the 19T times are only a bit slower than the full blown modified times... there is definately some credibility in the idea that there should be a larger differential in speed among the classes.

IE: If "stock" class was so slow that the normal stock guys wouldn't enjoy it... it would compell them to step up to the "intermediate" class (somewhere between current stock and 19T speeds)... and then you'd have a full blown modified class above that for those who don't feel challenged enough by the "intermediate" class

Originally Posted by ASM

Some (that reads "some" not all) racers seem to looking after your own personal situation based on expenses already spent before any "official" rules were adopted ROAR, which is about to happen. You guys that spent money on 13.5's did it on your own free will.......this certainly was not forced due to rules nor a mass influx of the motor on your local scene and now there is a possibility that it may not be legal in some or all forms of 1/10th racing. Certainly ROAR is not to blame for this and they shouldn't be to blame if the rules don't come out in favor of the 13.5 motor.

Maybe both the 17.5 and the 13.5 will be legal. Is there a hidden meaning in post #543

I've ran stock for many, many years from club races (at times, 4 week-ends a month) to lots of state races to several nationals (1997, 2005 on-road nats, 1999 and 2000 carpet nats) and the number of green machines, monsters, silver cans, CO27's, handouts, e-brushes, f-brushes, 4499's, putnam brushes, drilled brushes, slotted brushes.....and sometimes all of those combos in the same year......thank God for brushless!!!

You mean to tell me the cost of buying one 17.5 which could last you for 1 or 2 years is worth getting so defensively postured over? Can we please think down the road on this subject and the good of the hobby instead of what you already have in your car...please...no one ever promised you a 13.5 or even a 10.5 for that matter would be deemed ROAR legal.

Once again, these are guidelines of the Nats and you should have a voice in your local club racing. You can run whatever best suits your club. That's why it's a "club". It is encouraged by ROAR and its been said over and over.

Originally Posted by Bob-Stormer

Due to inconsistencies within a drivers own race program. If you have enough drivers to make a decent comparison (club racing doesn't work), the best qualified driver in each class would give you the best view of what is ABSOLUTELY capable of each motor/class (on that track on that day). The mains are never a good example of the best case scenario's.

Anybody have the qualifying and lap times from the Novak?

Thanks,
-Bob

Originally Posted by GreaseMonkey

LRP make a 15.5.

https://www.ssl-stormerhobbies.com/c...ns&pn=LRP50380

Originally Posted by C_O_jones

Just out of curiosity, where do you get all of this info?
I'm not out to offend you, just want to know.
No one in my area has used a 17.5 or 15.5

Originally Posted by Bob-Stormer

How can we use existing equipment, not technology down the road, to make more people more competitive? I think people confuse the word competitive with the word faster. They are not the same, not really.

Originally Posted by Ted Flack

So from that we can say.......heck I don't know what all that means...... I guess Stock is slower than Mod with or with out brushes.

Originally Posted by party_wagon

Why not just run one class like nitro does. Just run a pro & a sportsman class. @ the local tracks require that the drivers run a certant number of laps in a heat to get to move up to the pro class. When you have 4 different classes you will end up w/ some very small classes. 20 players split over 4 classes wouldn't even fill most tracks. However, 20 people in the same class would make for some great racing.

Originally Posted by Verndog

Fred....here is a quote straight from the manufacturer...the only one that makes a 17.5, and there is no 15.5 out there yet (that I'm aware of)

http://www.rctech.net/forum/showpost...2&postcount=81

Originally Posted by trilerian

A few people at our track are running the 17.5 in 1/12th because the 13.5 is way faster than a good stock, I don't mean the difference between 27t and 13.5 in tc, I mean it is like putting a 19t in your 1/12th. Now many people will argue that a 13.5 in tc is close to a 19t, and if you haven't cut the comm in 10 runs they are right. However when comparing a race ready 19t to a 13.5 there is a difference, and I can turn faster laps with the 19t. Granted not much faster but I race on a small track. Where was I going? Yes, the 17.5 is comparable to a 27t in 1/12, but just doesn't have the gonads for tc, now maybe racing against some green machines and old monsters it would be different, but a race ready Co27 will pull better out of the corners in tc. Don't get me started on the gearing. Because of this I speculate that a 15.5 would be the answer for tc, but seeing how the 17.5 is pretty close in 1/12th the 15.5 would have the advantage in that class. But since there is not a 15.5, it is just that, speculation. Anyways, that is the reasoning behind that post.