HOW LONG BEFORE BL BECOMES THE NORM AND BRUSHED BECOMES THE COMMODITY???
#17
fair enough mix them at the club level to make classes bigger but on a larger scale I would just let people do what they want when there is enough people for two classes.
I personally love both I have been running brushed so long it's easy for me to get a motor run but sadly as I get older driving seems to be the problem lol BL seems good to it has it's good points like anything else but I really wouldn't want either of them to go away seems to me there has to be a middle ground somewhere we just haven't found it yet,
I personally love both I have been running brushed so long it's easy for me to get a motor run but sadly as I get older driving seems to be the problem lol BL seems good to it has it's good points like anything else but I really wouldn't want either of them to go away seems to me there has to be a middle ground somewhere we just haven't found it yet,
#20
Tech Apprentice
In the Netherlands our national series runs 19 turns Element V2 motors for stock class ( 5 cells racing ) and Modified is your own choice: brushed and Brushless both allowed. Most people use Brushless in Modified because of our large 8th scale tracks to have the (small ? ) avantage of efficiency brushless motors gives them. we are racing 6 nats with 3 qualifiers and 2 finals each. In the end the 9 best finished finals are counted for the championship.
We are thinking about brushless for stock class too. Against is that most stock drivers are not racing brushless right now and are forced to buy a new speedo. Also some people are very inventiv and can programm a speedo to get more power than others. In my opinion that's in the spirit of racing but NOT for stock class racing.
We are thinking about brushless for stock class too. Against is that most stock drivers are not racing brushless right now and are forced to buy a new speedo. Also some people are very inventiv and can programm a speedo to get more power than others. In my opinion that's in the spirit of racing but NOT for stock class racing.
#21
Tech Master
iTrader: (11)
At this time, its hard to forsee any particular motor or battery becomming the 'norm'. Electric is fragmented into so many classes that a stock/brushed class could be around indefinately.
Some of the most helpfull and knowledgable people I've met and raced against only do brushed stock and want nothing to do with brushless motors. They might not post a lot here, but for them, racing is not 'broken'. They are willing to make a committment (batteries, time, research) that most of us refuse to do.
If anything, I think electric will probably remain split in 3 classss
Brushed/Stock/Sub C cells
Brushless/Mod/Lipos
13.5 Brushless/stock/lipo
I think stock 13.5 will take the place of 19T spec.
Some of the most helpfull and knowledgable people I've met and raced against only do brushed stock and want nothing to do with brushless motors. They might not post a lot here, but for them, racing is not 'broken'. They are willing to make a committment (batteries, time, research) that most of us refuse to do.
If anything, I think electric will probably remain split in 3 classss
Brushed/Stock/Sub C cells
Brushless/Mod/Lipos
13.5 Brushless/stock/lipo
I think stock 13.5 will take the place of 19T spec.
#22
In the Netherlands our national series runs 19 turns Element V2 motors for stock class ( 5 cells racing ) and Modified is your own choice: brushed and Brushless both allowed. Most people use Brushless in Modified because of our large 8th scale tracks to have the (small ? ) avantage of efficiency brushless motors gives them. we are racing 6 nats with 3 qualifiers and 2 finals each. In the end the 9 best finished finals are counted for the championship. One of you finally admit the tracks are large
We are thinking about brushless for stock class too. Against is that most stock drivers are not racing brushless right now and are forced to buy a new speedo. Also some people are very inventiv and can programm a speedo to get more power than others. In my opinion that's in the spirit of racing but NOT for stock class racing.
We are thinking about brushless for stock class too. Against is that most stock drivers are not racing brushless right now and are forced to buy a new speedo. Also some people are very inventiv and can programm a speedo to get more power than others. In my opinion that's in the spirit of racing but NOT for stock class racing.
#23
At this time, its hard to forsee any particular motor or battery becomming the 'norm'. Electric is fragmented into so many classes that a stock/brushed class could be around indefinately.
Some of the most helpfull and knowledgable people I've met and raced against only do brushed stock and want nothing to do with brushless motors. They might not post a lot here, but for them, racing is not 'broken'. They are willing to make a committment (batteries, time, research) that most of us refuse to do.
If anything, I think electric will probably remain split in 3 classss
Brushed/Stock/Sub C cells
Brushless/Mod/Lipos
13.5 Brushless/stock/lipo
I think stock 13.5 will take the place of 19T spec.
Some of the most helpfull and knowledgable people I've met and raced against only do brushed stock and want nothing to do with brushless motors. They might not post a lot here, but for them, racing is not 'broken'. They are willing to make a committment (batteries, time, research) that most of us refuse to do.
If anything, I think electric will probably remain split in 3 classss
Brushed/Stock/Sub C cells
Brushless/Mod/Lipos
13.5 Brushless/stock/lipo
I think stock 13.5 will take the place of 19T spec.
Dave Nelson -I think it should be personal prefrence. forcing people to invest in a new motor,esc,batteries may drive people out of the hobby. I for one am not going bl unless they do handouts like with brushed races.
if this is a true statement, wont races in theory, eventually be longer than the 5 minute standard we have in place now? If people are leaving the hobby, as Dave suggests, then it stands to reason that racers will want more track time to fill the voids
#24
funny i ask a club member that question what will become of brushed motors when brushless takes over.when i first started running modified using brush wow alot of attention to the motor then went brushless never look back it is just amazing bee.
#25
Thats the truth. When I first starting running modified, p-94 7doubles, oh my God was I hooked. But, to keep that speed and power, required alot of maintennance and tuning. And no matter what, I could never get it to its optimal setting, the way it ran that very first time. With BL, my 3.5 that I bought damn, how many months ago, runs as strong now as it did when it was new....all I have to do is freshen the solder leads every so often and lube the bearings. thats it. who wouldnt want that?!?!?
#26
Tech Champion
The hangup is going to be regulated classes such as stock or 19T. Sure there are stock and 19T equivalents but they don't all perform the same, some combinations of motor and ESC perform better then the same motor with a different ESC, some outperform the classes they are supposedly equivalent with. And that equivalency is really only based on 1 class...TC. In other classes like 1/12th the equivalency doesn't hold.
#27
The hangup is going to be regulated classes such as stock or 19T. Sure there are stock and 19T equivalents but they don't all perform the same, some combinations of motor and ESC perform better then the same motor with a different ESC, some outperform the classes they are supposedly equivalent with. And that equivalency is really only based on 1 class...TC. In other classes like 1/12th the equivalency doesn't hold.
#28
Thats the truth. When I first starting running modified, p-94 7doubles, oh my God was I hooked. But, to keep that speed and power, required alot of maintennance and tuning. And no matter what, I could never get it to its optimal setting, the way it ran that very first time. With BL, my 3.5 that I bought damn, how many months ago, runs as strong now as it did when it was new....all I have to do is freshen the solder leads every so often and lube the bearings. thats it. who wouldnt want that?!?!?
#29
Tech Master
iTrader: (11)
Its really up to the guys who are currently running brushed stock to keep it going. There are a lot of them still out there. I dont ever attempt to cast aspersions their way because most of them can beat me with their tuned stockers even though I have a 6.5 brushless.
But the more I think about it, the more I wonder if after another 5 years there won't be enough new 'brushed' guys to keep it going.
But the more I think about it, the more I wonder if after another 5 years there won't be enough new 'brushed' guys to keep it going.