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Here are some good build tips and notes from b1narych0ice (thank you):

Specific build step comments/warnings, including areas I replaced stock parts -- Think of this as a FAQ that answers questions I had from other builders about each step:

A-3: You can instead use TLR Aluminum Servo Mount here.
A-5: Be sure to get the shorter screw in the correct hole.
A-6: Use a 76 or 78T spur if you are running a 13.5T-21.5T motor instead of the 84 in the kit! and...
A-6: The plastic washer between the pulley and the thrust assembly should be oriented so that the flat side goes toward the pulley, and the side with the ring goes towards the thrust assembly's metal washer. Diagram in instructions is correct, you just can't see that this washer isn't flat on both sides from the illustration.
A-7: Be sure the nut holding the Full-Time 4WD assembly is nice and tight, I have seen it get loose in the 1.0 car!
A-9: Put the gears on the jackshaft before the c-clips, so that you don't have to deal with getting the c-clips off to put the gears on

B-2: It seems to be possible to push the outdrives on so tight that they bind when spun, be sure to ensure that they spin freely as the manual notes.
B-7: You're screwing the 1.3mm screws into metal, don't crank so hard you strip the heads on the screws. While this is metal-on-metal, the manual doesn't call for loctite here.
B-8: The rear diff has fewer/bigger teeth, the front diff has more/smaller teeth.
C-3/C-4: TLR Aluminum Bellcranks and Exotek steering rack can be used here to increase durability/reduce steering slop
C-8: TLR Aluminum A/B Horn can be used to increase durability/reduce steering slop.
D-2: Don't worry about the kingpins sticking out the front even when the nut is tight, the bumper will push them in and keep them there.
D-5: Shock tower screws were the tightest plastic part on my kit, look from the side when tightening down the tower at the gap between the tower and the front bulkhead, tighten until this gap is closed.
D-6/D-7: Don't mix up the CVA pins and the hex pins, should be easy because hex pins are black and CVA pins are silver.
D-8/D-9: Use a toothpick to get threadlock in the metal block instead of applying it to the shoulder bolt, so that you don't get it between the plastic spindle and the metal block.
E-1/E-2: Don't mix up the 10mm pins for the rear hexes with the 11mm pins for the rear CVAs! They are packaged together and both silver, so it's easy to think you just have 4 pins that are the same!
G-1: No need to install the post on the right side if you are running a shorty and use velcro to attach the body to the mud guards. You can move the right post up or down a little so that it snugly fits your shorty battery.
G-2: Aluminum Servo Horn can be used here.
G-4: Adjust the length of the link and the servo horn position so that both the servo horn and the horn on the bellcranks are parallel with each other, and perpendicular with the link.

Hope this helps some of you that are putting your kits together, and thanks to Frank and the TLR crew for a solid kit!

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Driveshaft Update from Frank - I've reviewed some parts today from stock. The 'issue' part is definitely the rear CVA driveshaft bone. The pin slot is not 90* to the bore for the barrel. We are working to get good parts made and here for CS use ASAP.

Some of the parts I checked were not 100% free, but definitely run-able. Keep in mind that the driveshafts should wear in fairly well, and quickly (within a few packs). If you have a 22-4 2.0 and are experiencing issues with the driveshafts, we won't have good replacements for probably a couple of weeks (no definitive timeline yet), so I would recommend running them on track for 1-2 packs, then rechecking. I think most will free up well.

I am sorry that we are having an issue. Everything was great during samples until production, but we'll make sure to get it right, and make it right for those with the bad parts.
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What is the proper level for the diffs...i am used to building 8th scale diffs, i would assume its the same?
Just under level. You need some room for the output gear that is in the cap.

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Frank can u explain what is the difference between the a and b horn, TLR331018?
It isn't the horn, it is the ackermann setting. B will have less off power, better mid corner steering. A will have more off power steering, less mid corner.

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Old 04-23-2017, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by tsair
There's a recommendation in the 2.0 manual, I think it's 78/27.
Thank you. I'll look the manual up and double check.
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my opinion is I wouldn't buy a full out race car for bashing, there are cheaper alternatives for bashing...
Suggestions? I thought about the tamiya xv-01 and i like it a lot.
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Any rumor updates on the 22-4 3.0 kit out in July'ish? Just newest upgrades bundled into one kit or something drastically different? debating if I should buy the current version or wait
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Originally Posted by Fundukian
Any rumor updates on the 22-4 3.0 kit out in July'ish? Just newest upgrades bundled into one kit or something drastically different? debating if I should buy the current version or wait
No update coming near future.
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Originally Posted by Fundukian
Any rumor updates on the 22-4 3.0 kit out in July'ish? Just newest upgrades bundled into one kit or something drastically different? debating if I should buy the current version or wait
That Eb410 coming this summer though
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Originally Posted by Fundukian
Any rumor updates on the 22-4 3.0 kit out in July'ish? Just newest upgrades bundled into one kit or something drastically different? debating if I should buy the current version or wait
Just get it now and use some coupon codes from somewhere. Should bring the price to around $300 ish. If this is too much just buy a roller on the trader section of this site. Buy all the electronics for it and have fun. If something new comes out that strikes your fancy then sell yours as a roller and put all the electronics in your new buggy. No big deal.

I have the 22-4 2.0 and it's been a blast. I think we put a slightly faster motor in it than we needed but it is really a great setup right out of the box. Haven't changed a thing.

I personally like to buy kits new because I like to build them and I know what setup it has and fluids etc. But you can just as easily buy a used roller and tear it apart to set it up how you want it.
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After ripping on this car with a 5.5 since it came out I have had zero issues and love this car. However, yesterday I had a rear cv pin come loose from a backed off grub screw and chew up the carrier, as I was replacing it I was wondering why Losi does not go with the cv joint captured by a larger bearing like some other manufacturers. It would be just a change in the hub carrier to accept a larger inner bearing. Just curious, not complaining
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Originally Posted by AJrollin
After ripping on this car with a 5.5 since it came out I have had zero issues and love this car. However, yesterday I had a rear cv pin come loose from a backed off grub screw and chew up the carrier, as I was replacing it I was wondering why Losi does not go with the cv joint captured by a larger bearing like some other manufacturers. It would be just a change in the hub carrier to accept a larger inner bearing. Just curious, not complaining
It could be done in theory. A really big bearing gets in the way of the vertical ball stud which I believe is the main reason they don't do it. Location of that pivot joint in the axle is important to the handling of the rear end as well so have to take all of that into account.
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makes sense..thanks
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I'm running on Astro, should I use TLR234088, the +3mm rear hubs from the 22 4.0?
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I'm running on Astro, should I use TLR234088, the +3mm rear hubs from the 22 4.0?
It's a tuning option, I know some prefer them.
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Originally Posted by Fundukian
Any rumor updates on the 22-4 3.0 kit out in July'ish? Just newest upgrades bundled into one kit or something drastically different? debating if I should buy the current version or wait
The car is just so much better than everything else out there right now the only reason I'd buy a new one would be if it was easier to work on. That's the only thing that a B64 has going for it. The 22-4 2.0 is all around the best wheeler out right now. Due to quality problems that I had with the original 22 and the early SCTE I am a total TLR hater but the 22-4 has totally won me over. I was among the first folks to buy a couple of B64s with great expectations but I'm still driving the TLRs. Nothing else has the same smooth feel and they are hell'a durable too.....anywho, I don't see why they would come out with a new one unless they made working on it easier. The car is dialed right out of the box with the book set up for almost any surface from wet dirt to high bite clay. I don't see a true new car coming out. At best a new car will have a new box and aluminum wheel nuts.
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^^agreed

I really cant see much that can be improved on this car as its pretty much drives almost perfect out of the box, maybe a 5mm carbon front shock tower as the plastic one will crack if you indo a tipple upside-down a few times, but that's to be expected, I put the Exotek on mine and its money. As for making the car easier to work on, that would require significant design change which I hope Losi would not do as Losi has hit the nail on the head with this car.
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It'd be nice if the driveline were redesigned to be a 2 belt system. The 3 belt setup was meant to center the motor, which became less necessary when everybody went to short packs from saddle packs.
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The only negative about this buggy is how much time you need to change just a spur gear.
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