66LikesHot Bodies D413 1/10 4WD Buggy
08-12-2013, 10:14 AM
#76
08-12-2013, 10:15 AM
#77
to me a big thing that I am curious about is how will this design be taken in general. It seems the common way right now is to run saddles in the rear of the buggy, rest of the crap up front.
In the 1/8 E buggy world, that layout as well as the Tekno battery forward style layout are common, with Tekno's point of view from what I recall being you can carry more corner speed that way. Based on what I have seen on the track watching 2 highly skilled locals go at it, one with a vehicle with the forward battery design and another with the saddle style setup, it seemed like Tekno was on to something layout wise.
Always wondered how that could be applied in 1/10 scale successfully.
In the 1/8 E buggy world, that layout as well as the Tekno battery forward style layout are common, with Tekno's point of view from what I recall being you can carry more corner speed that way. Based on what I have seen on the track watching 2 highly skilled locals go at it, one with a vehicle with the forward battery design and another with the saddle style setup, it seemed like Tekno was on to something layout wise.
Always wondered how that could be applied in 1/10 scale successfully.
08-12-2013, 10:21 AM
#78
to me a big thing that I am curious about is how will this design be taken in general. It seems the common way right now is to run saddles in the rear of the buggy, rest of the crap up front.
In the 1/8 E buggy world, that layout as well as the Tekno battery forward style layout are common, with Tekno's point of view from what I recall being you can carry more corner speed that way. Based on what I have seen on the track watching 2 highly skilled locals go at it, one with a vehicle with the forward battery design and another with the saddle style setup, it seemed like Tekno was on to something layout wise.
Always wondered how that could be applied in 1/10 scale successfully.
In the 1/8 E buggy world, that layout as well as the Tekno battery forward style layout are common, with Tekno's point of view from what I recall being you can carry more corner speed that way. Based on what I have seen on the track watching 2 highly skilled locals go at it, one with a vehicle with the forward battery design and another with the saddle style setup, it seemed like Tekno was on to something layout wise.
Always wondered how that could be applied in 1/10 scale successfully.
08-12-2013, 10:29 AM
#79
some may argue that the saddle config has a lower CG, but having half the batt weight on the motor side just doesn't add up imo. I agree with tekno on their theory on that. Besides, I think ROAR should change the rules to allow shorty packs across the board so we can start to see different designs in on/off road. The current designs have hit an epitome imo. If the D413 really uses shortys, I give them credit for paving the way.
08-12-2013, 10:37 AM
#80
some may argue that the saddle config has a lower CG, but having half the batt weight on the motor side just doesn't add up imo. I agree with tekno on their theory on that. Besides, I think ROAR should change the rules to allow shorty packs across the board so we can start to see different designs in on/off road. The current designs have hit an epitome imo. If the D413 really uses shortys, I give them credit for paving the way.
08-12-2013, 10:38 AM
#81
Tech Regular
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"real car" racing is where i have been for the last 13 years. weight distribution is a very sensitive subject that has to do with suspension design, hp, which wheels drive the cars, etc.
in a rear wheel drive, 50/50 front and rear, and 50/50 cross weights are desired. in production cars this helps with consistency of handling and has less to do with traction (for power or turning).
in the scale RC world it is a different animal, especially in electric. the power in the 1/10 and 1/8 scale cars is significantly more than the full size "real" car.
the only thing in "real" car work that would compare is actually F1 (IMHO). F1 cars arent running around with flexable bodies, weird chassis lay outs (they have stricter rules) and they arent racing off road and jumping gaps easily 10 times the size of the car.
in a rear wheel drive, 50/50 front and rear, and 50/50 cross weights are desired. in production cars this helps with consistency of handling and has less to do with traction (for power or turning).
in the scale RC world it is a different animal, especially in electric. the power in the 1/10 and 1/8 scale cars is significantly more than the full size "real" car.
the only thing in "real" car work that would compare is actually F1 (IMHO). F1 cars arent running around with flexable bodies, weird chassis lay outs (they have stricter rules) and they arent racing off road and jumping gaps easily 10 times the size of the car.
08-12-2013, 11:51 AM
#83
Once a manufacture designs a car that is optimized for shortys, everyone will follow suit. The current designs are solely based on your standard stick type or saddle batteries. And that limitation is creating a bottleneck with layouts, hence all manufactures end up with the same designs. Imo, at the point they allowed saddle packs, the battery dimension criteria should have been thrown out, as long as it made the same voltage. I don't think we should be dictated with rules based on the technology level of the 80s.
08-12-2013, 11:53 AM
#84
08-12-2013, 12:01 PM
#85
Tech Initiate
The D413 was under such close supervision by the designer and the mechanic that almost no one outside of ROAR could even get a glimpse of the vehicle. Their pit had banners top to bottom around their tent and only a doorway. Competitors couldn't see it, so nobody could protest it. Until some pics popped up online that made it almost certain that the car was running configuration that made it break ROAR rule 8.2.3. A protest late Sunday was filed and was thrown out because of a technicality on who filed it. Not because the car was deemed legal or illegal.
But who knows if the car was legal or not. ROAR let cars walk through their tech that were in blatantly in violation of this rule. And allowed people to break the posted rules on ROAR's website and possibly enhance the performance of their vehicle and didn't care.
But they sure cared if you didn't have headlights on your stadium truck.
08-12-2013, 12:12 PM
#87
"real car" racing is where i have been for the last 13 years. weight distribution is a very sensitive subject that has to do with suspension design, hp, which wheels drive the cars, etc.
in a rear wheel drive, 50/50 front and rear, and 50/50 cross weights are desired. in production cars this helps with consistency of handling and has less to do with traction (for power or turning).
in the scale RC world it is a different animal, especially in electric. the power in the 1/10 and 1/8 scale cars is significantly more than the full size "real" car.
the only thing in "real" car work that would compare is actually F1 (IMHO). F1 cars arent running around with flexable bodies, weird chassis lay outs (they have stricter rules) and they arent racing off road and jumping gaps easily 10 times the size of the car.
in a rear wheel drive, 50/50 front and rear, and 50/50 cross weights are desired. in production cars this helps with consistency of handling and has less to do with traction (for power or turning).
in the scale RC world it is a different animal, especially in electric. the power in the 1/10 and 1/8 scale cars is significantly more than the full size "real" car.
the only thing in "real" car work that would compare is actually F1 (IMHO). F1 cars arent running around with flexable bodies, weird chassis lay outs (they have stricter rules) and they arent racing off road and jumping gaps easily 10 times the size of the car.
