2018 Smokem NSW EP State Onroad Championships
#16
12th Scale tyre additives for foam
Ok all you 12th scale drivers. What is your recommended tyre additive for foam.
Thinking along the lines of Team Trinity "Purple Dot" Foam Tire Traction for the state titles.
Have not raced 12th scale for many years. Hence the question.
Thinking along the lines of Team Trinity "Purple Dot" Foam Tire Traction for the state titles.
Have not raced 12th scale for many years. Hence the question.
#17
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I am still using some LRP Top Grip I've had for ages or occasionally Hudy Carpet Gripper (cause my LHS can get it) but the Hudy stuff can be a bit thin
I am not as up on all the tyre treatment stuff so I am sure others will have other suggestions
#18
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The Gravity seems like it's popular at the moment. Everyone has their own secret sauce and method. I tend to play around with mighty gripper a lot.
#19
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I thought the last few events have been open for 12th scale goop. As long as it is odourless. From memory the QLD Titles had open 12th goop. It was held in a impound next to the TC goop. Competitors supplied their own in a zip lock bag with their name on it.
The Gravity seems like it's popular at the moment. Everyone has their own secret sauce and method. I tend to play around with mighty gripper a lot.
#20
1/12 does not have a control tyre so why worry about a control traction additive when you can run any tyre you want
#21
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The worlds are already trialing a control tyre this year and if that becomes the norm then I won't be regretting one bit hanging up the radio at the end of the year.
To be honest as long as its supplied by the organisers or very widely available then control traction additive doesn't bother me. Its all voodoo juice anyway
#22
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To actually answer the question: I have used Purple Dot at Newcastle in the past to good effect.
To carry on the discussion. I agree that there is little point controlling goop when the tyres are open, other than to maybe cut down on things to take with you for those flying. And it's really not a good idea to have a control tyre at an outdoor venue for an Australian event. The conditions change too much between the beginning and the end of the meeting. The tyre combination I would use at the start is often undriveable at the end, and vice versa. Picking one combination that will work for the entire meeting, even if it were technically possible, is not practical when most host clubs don't have regular 12th drivers to advise on a selection. It's usually at this point someone says you can tune around the tyre selection. Normally a 12th scale car has a very narrow tuning window. Most of the tuning is supposed to be done with the tyres. There is a way around it on outdoor tracks, but it involves carrying optional chassis to lengthen the wheelbase. The current rules allow for multiple chassis, so if we went with a control tyre combo, the result I would predict is that the fast guys would have two cars, one for low grip and one for high grip.
To carry on the discussion. I agree that there is little point controlling goop when the tyres are open, other than to maybe cut down on things to take with you for those flying. And it's really not a good idea to have a control tyre at an outdoor venue for an Australian event. The conditions change too much between the beginning and the end of the meeting. The tyre combination I would use at the start is often undriveable at the end, and vice versa. Picking one combination that will work for the entire meeting, even if it were technically possible, is not practical when most host clubs don't have regular 12th drivers to advise on a selection. It's usually at this point someone says you can tune around the tyre selection. Normally a 12th scale car has a very narrow tuning window. Most of the tuning is supposed to be done with the tyres. There is a way around it on outdoor tracks, but it involves carrying optional chassis to lengthen the wheelbase. The current rules allow for multiple chassis, so if we went with a control tyre combo, the result I would predict is that the fast guys would have two cars, one for low grip and one for high grip.
#23
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Actually, the bigger issue is that it is a controlled additive 'event' the biggest reason to regulate the 12th additive is to stop people having stuff in the pits that could potentially find there way onto the TC tyres. If you can think of another way that doesn't increase the work load for clubs, or increase suspicion, we'll be all ears.
In my personal experience (and this is the current national champion saying this) I actually rarely change tyres across an event. Ulti JM fronts, and ZS rears are the go to, and are the standard across all 12th events outdoors. I would be interested to hear when your experience was gained in regard to tyres Dan, as haven't seen you compete in any 12th events for at least the past 2 years....
As for the way round it.. I have a single 1:12th scale chassis, that's it. Never felt the need for another
The other thing to mention is IF it became a control tyre, it's the same for eeryone. But, with the caveat that the tyres selected have to be suitable, and that seems to be the biggest fear against a control tyre... that those selecting it wouldn't pick a suitable tyre, rather than actual resistance to control.
In my personal experience (and this is the current national champion saying this) I actually rarely change tyres across an event. Ulti JM fronts, and ZS rears are the go to, and are the standard across all 12th events outdoors. I would be interested to hear when your experience was gained in regard to tyres Dan, as haven't seen you compete in any 12th events for at least the past 2 years....
As for the way round it.. I have a single 1:12th scale chassis, that's it. Never felt the need for another
The other thing to mention is IF it became a control tyre, it's the same for eeryone. But, with the caveat that the tyres selected have to be suitable, and that seems to be the biggest fear against a control tyre... that those selecting it wouldn't pick a suitable tyre, rather than actual resistance to control.
#24
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Actually, the bigger issue is that it is a controlled additive 'event' the biggest reason to regulate the 12th additive is to stop people having stuff in the pits that could potentially find there way onto the TC tyres. If you can think of another way that doesn't increase the work load for clubs, or increase suspicion, we'll be all ears.
In my personal experience (and this is the current national champion saying this) I actually rarely change tyres across an event. Ulti JM fronts, and ZS rears are the go to, and are the standard across all 12th events outdoors. I would be interested to hear when your experience was gained in regard to tyres Dan, as haven't seen you compete in any 12th events for at least the past 2 years....
As for the way round it.. I have a single 1:12th scale chassis, that's it. Never felt the need for another
The other thing to mention is IF it became a control tyre, it's the same for everyone. But, with the caveat that the tyres selected have to be suitable, and that seems to be the biggest fear against a control tyre... that those selecting it wouldn't pick a suitable tyre, rather than actual resistance to control.
As for the way round it.. I have a single 1:12th scale chassis, that's it. Never felt the need for another
The other thing to mention is IF it became a control tyre, it's the same for everyone. But, with the caveat that the tyres selected have to be suitable, and that seems to be the biggest fear against a control tyre... that those selecting it wouldn't pick a suitable tyre, rather than actual resistance to control.
I've said before that a control family of tyres for 12th would not be a bad option. So, prime fronts and prime rears, and option fronts and option rears (where you could mix and match). That would significantly cut down on taking tyres to events, but should provide enough flexibility to cover the conditions. At least, if the tyre family was Ultis. If we had to rotate suppliers then we might have a problem.
#25
Actually, the bigger issue is that it is a controlled additive 'event' the biggest reason to regulate the 12th additive is to stop people having stuff in the pits that could potentially find there way onto the TC tyres. If you can think of another way that doesn't increase the work load for clubs, or increase suspicion, we'll be all ears.
Anyway, a discussion probably best had in another thread.
Last edited by Scott_T; 08-16-2018 at 03:19 PM.
#26
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The other thing to mention is IF it became a control tyre, it's the same for eeryone. But, with the caveat that the tyres selected have to be suitable, and that seems to be the biggest fear against a control tyre... that those selecting it wouldn't pick a suitable tyre, rather than actual resistance to control.
One of the main reasons I moved away from TC is because I felt it had become a one size fits no one type of thing and I was unable to find a car/setup/whatever that made me feel I could be genuinely competitive - and I have some pretty low expectations these days - at the moment 1/12 doesn't feel that way to me and I enjoy it more because of that
#27
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Having an additive station for 1/12 (or demo classes for that matter) with BYO additive eliminates a lot of those issues. Any additive found in the pits means someone is in big trouble - no different to if it was a TC only event with controlled additive. Controlled additive for 1/12 means opening new tyres in front of scrutineers (so they can't be pre-gooped), then having the tyres marked, impounding tyres overnight and marking again for the next day. A fair bit of extra work for the host club.
#28
have you worked out what tyre cleaner etc will be used
#29