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Old 03-17-2019, 08:22 PM
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Hello all,

Our club is considering adding a vintage leg to our racing.
Was hoping someone may have the full list of approved cars (pre 1994)

Immediately I am being hit regarding if xyz car is allowed.

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I'm thinking any car B2 and before are legal.
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What about the B3? That is the vehicle in question at the moment.
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You need to decide what cars you want to race. If you let guys bring in b2 s and XX s short arm rc10s, jrx2 s wont be very competitive, let alone the re issue scorpions and similar cars.

The best idea might be to find out what guys have available to run and work from there.
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Originally Posted by Tamiyadan View Post
it isn't about approving cars before 1994 it is about breaking them up further so they can be competitive with each other.
the problem with a broad vintage class is if you want to win then you will bring the newest car allowed so if the cut off date is 1994 then everyone will have a rc10 worlds chassis.
the rc10b2 was released in 1995 thus it is past the cutoff year.

then you can see if the competitive people show up with 1994 Rc10 worlds cars then the people that come with a 1982 Kyosho scorpion will not be having a good time.

pre 1985 the cars were trailing arm designs mostly. post 1985 is after the original Rc-10 release and that started to produce the golden age of R/c where everyone needed to basically copy the rc-10 layout. getting into the late 1980s early 1990s things changed again as the designs became more optimized. thus a 1985 6 gear Rc-10 is going to have big issues keeping up with a 1994 wide arm, stealth transmission with slipper design.

so you have to break down the years further to make things more fair
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sadly, your vintage class won't work if you have racers wanting another class they can win a plastic trophy or a piece of printed plastic for... You'll always have the extreme rCers wanting an edge to achieve their trophy case goals.

Vintage class should just be run for fun, no trophies, no plastic cards... So only people who WANT to run their vintage cars in an organized race format will be interested. People who want to celebrate the history and awesomeness of the RC hobby by running their cars will be happy to do so, regardless of the fairness of the rules (you can't fair a vintage class cos there is no way a Tamiya fox will outrun a rc10, or whatever). It is absolutely pointless to develop a 'fair rule' for vintage. You will attract all the wrong people to your vintage class. Were I you, I'd throw out the rules and make it a run whatever you want, but keep in mind the delicate nature of vintage cars. No trophies awarded but you can gurantee plenty of laughs and pictures.

but if you really, really, really need to have a vintage class for racers wanting a new trophy (cos some peeps are just like that), the fairest way to do so is to make it a 1 car race... For instance, all racers use rc10. It's vintage, it's fair, rc10s are aplenty... No ambiguity at all.

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Tamiya Fox was a worthy competitor to the Rc10's !!!!!!!!!!
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What about running them all together, but having a winner for different time periods. Say the first 90's car to cross wins that class, and the first 80's car to finish gets that categories first. Decide what the range of years you want for each category before hand.
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Have a look at 2018 Hills Offroad Vintage Festival 10-11 November
We've been running this formula for around 10 years successfully. Check the first post, it has the lists you're after.
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Originally Posted by Capt_Splatt View Post
Have a look at 2018 Hills Offroad Vintage Festival 10-11 November
We've been running this formula for around 10 years successfully. Check the first post, it has the lists you're after.
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This is a heck of a lot of classes to run in a single day... Whilst it allows for segregation based on car age, If your track doesn't have enough entries for each class, it will simply and possibly be super boring just waiting for time to pass, till it gets to your class again. I personally hate to waste a perfectly good race day sitting in the pits.

An almagated class that allows maximum number of runs, minimal amount of pit time, maximum amount of fun is usually preferred, where I come from (only the on roaders like to sit and wrench, off roaders love to race).
So we have 3 classes, 2wd, 4wd and a others class where you can run pretty much whatever (monster trucks, wheelies, crawlers etc). We just define a year from which all vehicles from that class has to be before (so if it's 2000, all cars from that class must be before that age. We do a concensus based on what people have). Truthfully, there would be cars that perform better, but at the end of the day, if everyone is having fun, it's not a deal breaker.

Racing isn't always fair, and doesn't have to be. Much better to enjoy the race and have fun with your vintages then attempt to level a class and turning it too serious. We have modern buggies for that.

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This is a heck of a lot of classes to run in a single day... Whilst it allows for segregation based on car age, If your track doesn't have enough entries for each class, it will simply and possibly be super boring just waiting for time to pass, till it gets to your class again. I personally hate to waste a perfectly good race day sitting in the pits.

An almagated class that allows maximum number of runs, minimal amount of pit time, maximum amount of fun is usually preferred, where I come from (only the on roaders like to sit and wrench, off roaders love to race).
So we have 3 classes, 2wd, 4wd and a others class where you can run pretty much whatever (monster trucks, wheelies, crawlers etc). We just define a year from which all vehicles from that class has to be before (so if it's 2000, all cars from that class must be before that age. We do a concensus based on what people have). Truthfully, there would be cars that perform better, but at the end of the day, if everyone is having fun, it's not a deal breaker.
Alexander, you sound kinda negative. The vintage meet these classes comes from is run once a year and its big. People tend to run more than one class and no-one finds themselves missing out on much racing (quite the opposite). As a matter of fact, they brought in rule that people could only run a max of 3 classes so that they actually had time to marshal and pit, otherwise it just got too hectic. It should be noted that the festival runs over 2 days. 2WD on day 1 and 4WD on day 2. When we started we had a lot fewer classes, The extras like Classic (post '90), purist (pre '85) even plastic fantastic only came in when the numbers supported it. Originally, the festival was just as much swap meet, show 'n shine as a it was a race meet.

I'm not suggesting that a smaller meet should try to run all the classes we run down here. Consolidated classes work fine for smaller gatherings.
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Originally Posted by Johnn27 View Post
Tamiya Fox was a worthy competitor to the Rc10's !!!!!!!!!!
equal drivers the fox didn't stand a chance..even more so if it was a hot trick fox..the RC10's total domination killed the fox, I started racing in 84, saw it first hand..this was in California..
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For 4wd (if you can go pre 98 vs 94...much cooler list of cars): Yokomo YZ10 (Variants to 98), Schumacher Cat 2000, losi xx4

These were the 3 most competitive 4wd cars during that time frame
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drove the xx4 .dint like the other 2 listed liked the more forward motor mount n the losi...
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I like the idea of racing in one or more classes in the same race and let the era of race car and finish time decide the winners. That way everybody gets to race, minimal pit time and folks buy their friends refreshments at the local refreshment establishments. Old school style.
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