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Old 12-11-2005, 10:35 AM   #2086
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i now see there market..cheaters and poor lopez switched from trinity to brood to get away from shanningans? ouch!
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Robertv, That was funny. lol
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Old 12-11-2005, 11:18 AM   #2088
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Old 12-11-2005, 11:28 AM   #2089
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Your analogy is bogus.

Br00d is not trying to pass this motor off as anything but what it is - a 19x1 motor for programs that allow it. (of which there are many).
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Old 12-11-2005, 11:33 AM   #2090
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i now see there market..cheaters and poor lopez switched from trinity to brood to get away from shanningans? ouch!
What is it with you pan car oval guys? You all seem to be on some sort of crusade against "cheaters". Not everyone runs under YOUR rules. Not everyone runs under ROAR rules.

I have a br00d Reedy QM with an 18.5 arm (GREAT motor) and the arm is clearly marked "18.5 gauge"-not hiding a thing.And it's perfectly legal at my track where the only rule is "must be 19 turn armature".

How about you guys keep your nose out of things that don't affect you,stop bashing people/companies for no reason,and just grow a set and run open mod so no one is cheating.Is it because you would get more enjoyment out of catching a cheater than winning the A? Sure looks that way.Something I learned from 1:1 racing is that usually the guy that's making the biggest stink about cheating is the guy that cheating the most.Any motor builder will make you a bigger gauge arm if you ask,and probably leave it unmarked if you ask too so next raceday you better check everybody! You may be surrounded by cheaters!
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Old 12-11-2005, 11:36 AM   #2091
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Not having the time to read thru all these posts, could someone tell me how these Brood stock motors stack up against Trinity and Epic. I race on a short carpet track with touring, could anyone recommend a good can?

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Old 12-11-2005, 12:40 PM   #2093
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oh and by the way it was cleveland a few years back where a ON ROAD racer was caught using a 19 t arm in his stock motor

oh and it was a ON ROAD racer at vegas who was caught with a C1 arm in his C2 can... call me an idiot but i just don't read about oval heads geting caught cheating on the message forums? go figure
Okay-so you say that this is an on-road problem,and you also say that you only run ultrabird motors so how is this your concern?What a troll-I bet you're a lot of fun to be around at the track.If you're loosing sleep over it start a thread about so everyone can see but GO AWAY.
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That's because both guys at the Major oval races know what each other is running so cheating is not a problem.
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just check roar rules and they clearly state that the wire must be 19 gauge. but what it doesnt say is that the arms can't be handwound. but if you read the rules they give the impression that the arms should be machine wound. there was talk on another board of tuners making special 19t arms that dindn't meet the rules and I couldn't believe that a motor tuner would do such a thing. well I guess i was wrong
From the current ROAR rulebook:

8.6.9 Rebuildable 19T “Super Stock” motor armatures must be machine-wound using a crosswrap technique. The legal 19T “Super Stock” wind is a minimum of 1170mm of round 19 AWG (American Wire Gauge) wire, having a maximum wire diameter (including insulation) of .914mm, resulting in no less than 19 continuous turns of wire on each pole. There is notolerance on the minimum length of wire, nor is there a plus tolerance allowed on the wire diameter.

Reedy sells a hand wound 19T arm for the Reedy Spec 19T. I guess with all of the posting on this thread.....Reedy has no integrity either? LMAO

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Wow... real can of worms here I guess I dont see the problem... a 18.5 gauge hand wound C2 arm that has 18.5 marked on it without the epic 19 turn tag... so who cant see a handwound arm with a quick glance, especially one without a tag? The track should be teching motors... and this is legal at many tracks.
Face it 19 turn has no set of rules... only the C2 is ROAR approved... every track has its own set of 19 turn rules it seems. I prefer the Atlas 19 turn... fits ROAR rules but not approved... some tracks allow it some dont.
So I guess anyone running the Reedy 19 turn is cheating also since its not ROAR approved
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All I can say is I don't know why the heck anybody races in stock that's not a newb when 19 turn is so much fun and takes alot of the motor tuning and batt wars right off the table.
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All I can say is I don't know why the heck anybody races in stock that's not a newb when 19 turn is so much fun and takes alot of the motor tuning and batt wars right off the table.

It's kinda hard to justify that with the stock guys, when you've got pro level drivers running 19T instead of pro mod.All I can figure is it has to do with what the local track offers,I personally would love to run 19T,but my track doesn't offer it so I run the closet thing 21T limited.For as long as I can remember 19T has been a bunch of nonsense anyway in that nobody ever came up with a specific set of rules that everybody could agree on,that's why tracks started adapting their own rules and look where we are now.
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