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Old 12-29-2013, 07:35 PM   #301
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Hi guys,

Have decided to take the leap and run Fantom motors from now on.

(Old saying if u cant beat em, join em)

I have a big T/C, 13.5 class race meet coming up next month.

Out door asphalt, Med grip, Med-large flowing track. Back strait is about 110Ft, (33Mtr)
It does have 2 tight 180 Deg switch-backs in the infield though.

1/ Should I go for the Apex V2 or the Ion V4.?

2/ Is the Ion a D3.5 based motor?

3/ What Stator/Rotor combination would be best

4/ What FDR should I be looking at?

Thanks in advance
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1) If your track allows it buy the Ion v4. It's a far more reliable motor and generally easier to tune.

2) Yes

3) The high torque (turquoise) rotor has been my rotor of choice in nearly all applications. The Ion only comes as one stator-type unlike the Apex v2.

4) For that sized track with a flowing layout I would start at a ~ 4.2 FDR and go from there.

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4) For that sized track with a flowing layout I would start at a ~ 3.7 FDR and go from there.
I would start at 4.2 at max timing w/ 12.5 tq rotor. Ive worked my way down to 4.0fdr with good performance and good fan. The track I race at has a 120ft straight.
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That big of a straight you should be ~3.7FDR. IonV4 HT loves low gearing.

Even on my local track's small carpet I never ran anything higher than 3.8FDR. Motors were ice cold still too.
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arent those 17.5 fDR's? 3.6 is a bit much for 13.5 i think.
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Apologies. Yes, those are 17.5T FDRs. 13.5T a 4.0 to 4.2 is a good starting point.
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That big of a straight you should be ~3.7FDR. IonV4 HT loves low gearing.

Even on my local track's small carpet I never ran anything higher than 3.8FDR. Motors were ice cold still too.
I think the misconception with motor heat has to do with track temp also. Its really hard to gear to temp when racing indoors.

At my local outdoor track I get the best performance when my motors are in the 170F-180F when geared right. But take that same gearing and go indoors my motor is 130F. So when racing indoors, should I gear more since the motor is still cool...... I think its hard to judge motor performance when racing indoors if youre just looking at motor temps.
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does anyone know if it is legal to remove purple anodizing from the ion 4 ?
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IMO don't make the mistake, when running indoors, of gearing for heat. Some when they temp their motor if it isn't 160 or more they think they are going slow. Go for fast lap and least amount of fade.
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Hi guys, what would be the more powerful motor of these 2.

Fantom IOn V4 13.5 turn spec TEAM EDITION with the 12.5mm Torque rotor

Trinity 13.5 turn hand built 5% spec Maxzilla motor


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Going to depend on what 13.5 motor from Trinity you pick. The IonV4 is based off the Trinity D3.5 motors, which are regarded as the best stock spec motors you can get.
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I think the misconception with motor heat has to do with track temp also. Its really hard to gear to temp when racing indoors.

At my local outdoor track I get the best performance when my motors are in the 170F-180F when geared right. But take that same gearing and go indoors my motor is 130F. So when racing indoors, should I gear more since the motor is still cool...... I think its hard to judge motor performance when racing indoors if youre just looking at motor temps.
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IMO don't make the mistake, when running indoors, of gearing for heat. Some when they temp their motor if it isn't 160 or more they think they are going slow. Go for fast lap and least amount of fade.
+1 Ive been playing with the new Tekin esc since it came out and just blew me away looking at the data logs. Ive been over gearing my motors everytime.

So for gearing a 17.5 Fantom RPM with 12.5 tq rotor. I would start 4.0 fdr with 55 timing. That would be a safe starting point.

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goots: is that 17.5 in the video "Blinky" or Boosted" caus it sure is fast !
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goots: is that 17.5 in the video "Blinky" or Boosted" caus it sure is fast !
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